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Re: Most users did not follow the suggested route?

Postby jasonh300 » Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:29 pm

doomedtx wrote:As it turns out, using the livemap I was able to find one segment of US-65 S that wasn't allowing routing, although on WME all the arrows were green. I deleted several extra nodes and there is now one continuous segment between the two points that currently don't work on the livemap. I'm gonna try it again when the servers update to see if I fixed the problem or other routing errors exist.


This sort of problem with bad junctions was supposed to have been fixed a while back, but I found one today that Waze refuses to route through. I wish I would've realized that was the case before I messed with it so I could've sent it to the developers. In most cases, all you have to do is move the junction slightly and it'll route properly. However, the only way to find these buggy junctions is for someone to get routed around it and complain...or randomly try different routes in LiveMap. They shouldn't happen at all, ever.
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Re: Most users did not follow the suggested route?

Postby Ayzmo » Wed May 15, 2013 9:47 pm

ncc1701v wrote:
Ayzmo wrote:I just got one based on old data as well. Users were ignoring a road that hasn't existed in over a year.

but ... that's a different kind of old data. If Waze is trying to send people over a road that hasn't existed for a year and WME complains that users are NOT taking it, that means Waze is wrong. (If WME complains that people were taking a NEW road it doesn't know about, that's a problem to ignore.)

No?

I'm not entirely sure. What I know is that about 75% of all the reports I'm getting are these types and I can't find any problems for 99% of them. Either they are old data or something else is quite wrong. I'm hoping it is old data.
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Re: Most users did not follow the suggested route?

Postby jasonh300 » Wed May 15, 2013 8:29 pm

ncc1701v wrote:
Ayzmo wrote:I just got one based on old data as well. Users were ignoring a road that hasn't existed in over a year.

but ... that's a different kind of old data. If Waze is trying to send people over a road that hasn't existed for a year and WME complains that users are NOT taking it, that means Waze is wrong. (If WME complains that people were taking a NEW road it doesn't know about, that's a problem to ignore.)

No?


The issue is that the roads were changed or deleted a year ago. Before that, people were being routed via that deleted or changed road, and they were ignoring it. The data was being collected at the time, but there was no MP to report it. Now that the MP exists, it finds these problems in that ancient data and shows the error in the editor.

I haven't seen any instances of Waze trying to route on a road that has been deleted from the map.

Likewise, people have posted that these MPs show that users are being routed through parking lots that were changed to Parking Lot type segments months ago. But nobody has seen this happen in a LiveMap simulation or on the actual client...once again, old data. If these things were actually happening now, we'd be seeing URs as well as the MPs.
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Re: Most users did not follow the suggested route?

Postby ncc1701v » Wed May 15, 2013 8:05 pm

Ayzmo wrote:I just got one based on old data as well. Users were ignoring a road that hasn't existed in over a year.

but ... that's a different kind of old data. If Waze is trying to send people over a road that hasn't existed for a year and WME complains that users are NOT taking it, that means Waze is wrong. (If WME complains that people were taking a NEW road it doesn't know about, that's a problem to ignore.)

No?
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Re: Most users did not follow the suggested route?

Postby Ayzmo » Wed May 15, 2013 6:36 pm

I just got one based on old data as well. Users were ignoring a road that hasn't existed in over a year.
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Re: Most users did not follow the suggested route?

Postby davipt » Wed May 15, 2013 11:51 am

Here's an example of old data. The segment was last changed in February, can't recall it it was disconnected from the major road below on that day or even before. The suggested route sends south to the major, which is physically impossible for a long time.

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Re: Most users did not follow the suggested route?

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Tue May 14, 2013 9:58 pm

The vast majority is old, old data.
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Re: Most users did not follow the suggested route?

Postby ottonomy » Tue May 14, 2013 9:54 pm

The fact that some of these MPs do point to actual correctable problems does little to convince me that they aren't still being generated by old data. It merely means that in those cases, no one caught the problem before. In the Los Angeles basin, I close between fifty and a hundred of that particular variety of MP every week. A great number of them turn up where alleys were previously set as service road type (no routing penalty difference from regular street segments) instead of parking lot or private road type. These are often in repeat locations, where I changed the road type myself in response to a prior MP or UR. If Waze were actually routing users down these alleys still, as the MPs suggest, then I would expect to see the occasional UR submitted by a driver, but I don't. One could argue that drivers don't bother to report, but the high frequency of URs popping up in places where the road type IS set wrong would back up my thesis. These MPs are still using outdated drive and routing data. Note that they always appear in red, as if they are aging map issues, never in yellow or orange, like newer ones do. I come upon an equal number of automatically generated "restricted turn might be allowed" MPs, and these always start out in yellow. There may be some question as to whether Waze will occasionally have a routing failure and send someone over a parking lot road segment mid-route, but I have documented occasions where these MPs show Waze routing over roads that have been deleted or separated well over a month before the MP shows up.

See my example in this post:
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=49135#p440491

What's most frustrating about these is not the fact that I have to waste time closing them again and again, but that newer editors who are unaware of the old-data issue find them and try to fix problems which no longer exist. This is a big problem in LA, where we have wave upon wave of new people trying out WME on a weekly basis. I find myself locking things which shouldn't need to be locked, all because Waze keeps generating these MPs where all the issues have been dealt with, and nary a UR ever shows up.
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Re: Most users did not follow the suggested route?

Postby davipt » Sun May 12, 2013 3:17 pm

split the landmark discussion viewtopic.php?f=8&t=48957
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Re: Most users did not follow the suggested route?

Postby CTGreybeard » Sat May 11, 2013 11:05 pm

I'm not running any scripts but I went and redid the turns at all three junctions. Maybe that fixed it?
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