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Re: Un-named segments for better navigation

Postby Machete808 » Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:16 am

Nacron, I don't know. But a fairly minor change may work. The turn-off onto the EH-3 access gets a nav prompt just fine (tried it on my way home tonight).

But my recollection from an earlier test is that the ramp leading to the E-H201 gets no prompt -- I'm guessing because there's no "turn." I tweaked a geometry node where it pulls away, and after the next update, I'll check it. Meantime, no harm, no foul.
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Re: Un-named segments for better navigation

Postby CBenson » Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:14 am

Nacron wrote:How is it that this junction works fine

https://www.waze.com/editor/?zoom=6&lat ... 5,61214733

but the other example does not?

Because in this junction there is no best continuation as both exit segments are freeway type.

On the other, one and only one exit segment has the same road type (ramp) as the entering segment. Thus the ramp segment is the best continuation and does not receive a turn instruction.

vickimachado wrote:But my recollection from an earlier test is that the ramp leading to the E-H201 gets no prompt -- I'm guessing because there's no "turn." I tweaked a geometry node where it pulls away, and after the next update, I'll check it. Meantime, no harm, no foul.

Its the road type, you need follow the instructions in the wiki for wayfinder instructions if you want directions for both sides of a split.
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Re: Un-named segments for better navigation

Postby Machete808 » Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:27 pm

Thanks! Looks like I have to add an unnamed highway segment where the split appears to be straight, and then resume the ramp type. Will look a bit odd on the map, but I tested it again last night after dropping my husband off at the airport. The need for a navigation prompt to the EH201 is that if you don't get a "stay to the right" instruction, you may be in the left lane that takes you off to the EH-3.
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Re: Un-named segments for better navigation

Postby foxitrot » Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:42 pm

For years long, while reading such threads, I'm constantly shaking my had :-| and have a gut feeling, that Waze must be perverse. They would like to obtain an excellent map from their editors, to be eventually able to sell it (or at least some services, based on it), yet they let these editors spend a serious portion of their life with reverse-engineering the routing server's behavior, just in order to draw a correct map, which lets the navigation devices behave like intended :roll:

I understand that this discovery process is funny and interesting at the same time, but not each and every potentially excellent, but often rather desperate editor, might share such feeling... yet years later the situation does not change a bit.

Waze, please, wake finally up!
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Re: Un-named segments for better navigation

Postby Machete808 » Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:15 am

I agree with the sentiment. I don't mind the experimental tweaking of the map to achieve this or that -- this is all rather inexact. I just wish we could communicate with Wazers who post update requests, that's all.

Returning to my ramp-segment issue: It appears that bending the geometry of the ramp generated a navigation prompt, which is great. Now I'm easing the angle slightly to see if I can get it to say "stay to the right" instead of "turn right." May not need to add a wayfinder segment, after all.
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Re: Un-named segments for better navigation

Postby CBenson » Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:35 am

I didn't see the angle to cause the turn instruction. The turn seems to be back to no instruction.
It does seem to be true that you can prompt a turn instruction by making the angle of deflection over 45 degrees at any intersection, but to get the "keep/stay/exit" instructions requires adjusting the road types as set forth in the wayfinders section of the wiki.
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Re: Un-named segments for better navigation

Postby Machete808 » Sun Apr 21, 2013 4:35 am

CBenson wrote:I didn't see the angle to cause the turn instruction. The turn seems to be back to no instruction.


Well, at max zoom, it shows, now less acute:

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But it seems that won't work, right? (Haven't had a chance to recheck it.) Read the wiki, and it looks as if I should insert an unnamed ramp segment at the start of the split. I'll try that. Thanks again!
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Re: Un-named segments for better navigation

Postby Nacron » Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:01 am

vickimachado wrote:
CBenson wrote:I didn't see the angle to cause the turn instruction. The turn seems to be back to no instruction.


Well, at max zoom, it shows, now less acute:

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But it seems that won't work, right? (Haven't had a chance to recheck it.) Read the wiki, and it looks as if I should insert an unnamed ramp segment at the start of the split. I'll try that. Thanks again!

Just drove it, no instruction given to stay right. What if we changed the h201 segment after the fork into the freeway road type?

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Re: Un-named segments for better navigation

Postby Machete808 » Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:42 am

Nacron,

I noticed the same thing as I drove past today, so I decided to follow the wiki advice. I've just inserted an unnamed wayfinder segment (ramp type), 15 meters in length, at the point where the ramp continues to E201. Next update, let's see if the prompt kicks in.
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Re: Un-named segments for better navigation

Postby CBenson » Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:38 am

I think you need the 15m unnamed ramp segment on the branch to E H3.
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