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Interstates/Highways - Include Direction or Not?

Post by unwallflower
I'm tired of waffling on how to name interstates and highways in my area. On one freeway I went from "Hwy 78" (the name the base map came with) to "State Hwy 78", and finally to "State Rte 78 E" and "State Rte 78 W" (depending on the direction it travels, of course).

The wiki says that interstates and highways should have the direction included... but when I browse the map in other areas I very rarely see that.

It's also frustrating because including the direction in the name breaks the convention for shield display. In a perfect world I could name an interstate "I- 15 N" or "I- 15 S", or a state route "SR- 78 E" or "SR- 78 W" and it would still display shields. Oh, and shields would be displayed in the client as well.

Short of that, I need to settle on a naming convention. What say you?
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Re: Interstates/Highways - Include Direction or Not?

Post by dmcconachie
I think again that's something the routing server should be appending.
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Re: Interstates/Highways - Include Direction or Not?

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Ok so this is why they're in the name, because the automatic determination can be subjective!

In your suggestion above I'd want to know the true direction and not the general, bigger picture, direction. Guess that's not the same for everyone.
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Re: Interstates/Highways - Include Direction or Not?

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unwallflower wrote:Well, the problem with knowing the true direction is that's not how they're signed. Take my earlier example: say you need to travel west on I-10. I- 10 W actually runs north through the city of Tucson. If it automatically appended the true direction and told you to take I- 10 N, it would be very confusing because none of the signs say I-10 N. The signs taking you to the freeway you need to be on say I-10 W.
Yeah I get the difference and can see why you'd want it that way. Personally I don't need the direction when travelling and only really interested in the direction for reporting traffic etc, which could very easily be determined automatically!
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Re: Interstates/Highways - Include Direction or Not?

Post by gerben
CBenson wrote:
unwallflower wrote:To clarify, the "continue on XX freeway" thing was just laziness on my part... and maybe a bit of wishful thinking.
You had my hopes up for a moment.
The trick is to name the ongoing part different than the 'feeding' part.

Example:
http://world.waze.com/cartouche/?zoom=4 ... FTFTFFTTTT

The ongoing northbound lane has a temporary addition in it's name (ri Zwolle ie. richting Zwolle which translates to direction Zwolle). Because both 'to' lanes are named differently than the 'from' lane, there is a forced navigation prompt. After the interchange, the freeway has once again only it's number (A50) in it's name.
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Re: Interstates/Highways - Include Direction or Not?

Post by gerben
CBenson wrote:This makes perfect sense to me. But I'm not sure how to get it to work in practice. For instance, I get no navigation prompt as US 50 changes to New York Ave NE here: http://www.waze.com/cartouche/?zoom=5&l ... FFFFFFTTTT
Nor do I get a navigation prompt when New York Ave NE changes to New York Ave NW here: http://www.waze.com/cartouche/?zoom=6&l ... FFFFFFTTTT
I forgot to mention a few 'rules':
- This method works only on Y junctions where you travel from the bottom to the top.
- All parts of the Y need to be the same road type

As far as I can see, in your examples you are basically going straight ahead, and the 'feeling' of the path across the junction is going straight ahead, so no prompt is needed.
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Re: Interstates/Highways - Include Direction or Not?

Post by unwallflower
I don't know, I think direction is useful. It's nice to see the client tell me to continue on "I- 15 N" rather than just "I- 15", but I'm also a bit of a paranoid navigator because I don't have the best sense of direction. :P
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Re: Interstates/Highways - Include Direction or Not?

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dmcconachie wrote:I think again that's something the routing server should be appending.
I'm not sure this would always work the way we want it to. For example, the I- 10 is an east/west freeway, but between Phoenix and Tucson, Arizona it runs basically north/south. It is still labeled as an east/west interstate in that area, though, for obvious reasons.

In order for the routing server to append the direction there would have to be some sort of database of interstate/highway directions... and in that case, it would just make more sense to have the directionality in the name anyway.
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Re: Interstates/Highways - Include Direction or Not?

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dmcconachie wrote:Ok so this is why they're in the name, because the automatic determination can be subjective!

In your suggestion above I'd want to know the true direction and not the general, bigger picture, direction. Guess that's not the same for everyone.
Well, the problem with knowing the true direction is that's not how they're signed. Take my earlier example: say you need to travel west on I-10. I- 10 W actually runs north through the city of Tucson. If it automatically appended the true direction and told you to take I- 10 N, it would be very confusing because none of the signs say I-10 N. The signs taking you to the freeway you need to be on say I-10 W.

CBenson: see, that's the frustration I have too. I want to use directionality because I AM hopeful that it will be useful in the future, but right now it's pretty terrible. I really think consistency is key.
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Re: Interstates/Highways - Include Direction or Not?

Post by unwallflower
To clarify, the "continue on XX freeway" thing was just laziness on my part... and maybe a bit of wishful thinking.

I have yet to see it tell me to continue on the freeway. It does certainly use the freeway name in other situations, such as when the ramp isn't named.
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