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Re: [Script] WME Toolbox (>1.4.2.8)

Postby KB_Steveo » Wed Aug 20, 2014 2:25 am

Permalink:
https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-88.15287&lat=44.31779&layers=901&zoom=6

go to GM, GMM, Bing, etc.
Search for: 44.31779,-88.15287 not hard, just remember to put latitude first.
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Re: [Script] WME Toolbox (>1.4.2.8)

Postby InactiveUser » Wed Aug 20, 2014 2:58 am

Here's a bookmarklet to launch Google Map Maker using the current WME coordinates. Simply add as a bookmark in your browser.

== doctorkb removed bookmarklet -- violates spirit of Waze Staff request ==
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Re: [Script] WME Toolbox (>1.4.2.8)

Postby kentsmith9 » Wed Aug 20, 2014 3:08 am

Waze has a legal obligation to do what it can to reasonably prevent users from using copyrighted sources to create their maps. This is one step. The Google lawyers are part of the Waze infrastructure and they are directly involved with anything legal related to Waze. They are doing everything they can to protect their liability whether we like it or not.
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Re: [Script] WME Toolbox (>1.4.2.8)

Postby tonestertm » Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:55 am

Just a small bit of perspective: until a little over a year ago (time flies!), these buttons didn't even exist. We did just fine before that. Did they save time? Undoubtedly. Can we edit without them? Unquestionably. Five years' prior experience proved that.

Edit: typo

Edit again: Yes, some of the capability (OSM, LiveMap) was in Addons before it was in Toolbox, but to my recollection, Bing, Google, Mapmaker came later.
Last edited by tonestertm on Wed Aug 20, 2014 7:59 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: RIP

Postby kentsmith9 » Wed Aug 20, 2014 8:39 am

AdreNalinGuY wrote:kentsmith9, You did not update it yet.

Update what? Toolbox? Sure did.

Frankly I don't think I ever used those links. My point is the toolbox is doing a great job for many people. Your big red text seems a little overkill for something that was removed for legal reasons.
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Re: [Script] WME Toolbox (>1.4.2.8)

Postby CBenson » Wed Aug 20, 2014 11:14 am

qwaletee wrote:If Waze is found to have infringing data, they're screwed. If not, they aren't.

But it will be a sideshow to the only real question: is their data infringing or not infringing?

No. This is not how copyright works - at least in the US (and the US doesn't have much other protections for data). You have to have copying to have copyright infringement. So you can have the exact same data, but if you independently created it then it is not copyright infringement, while if it was copied from someone else then it can be copyright infringement. What matters is how the data is created, not just whether it turns out to be same as what someone else created. So if waze can say they discouraged things that would promote copying, that is a defense.
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The GoGoogle Bookmarklet is a workaround

Postby BenMimix » Wed Aug 20, 2014 2:41 pm

Hello,

I am trying to overcome the death of the Google map toolbox link, so I started to code a small javascript 'bookmarklet' ...

<Edited by author>

Regards,

Ben.
Last edited by BenMimix on Fri Aug 22, 2014 3:50 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: [Script] WME Toolbox (>1.4.2.8)

Postby ctpoole » Wed Aug 20, 2014 2:52 pm

Couldn't we at least have the link to Livemap back since it is part of Waze? That was the button I used the most anyway. That and Google Map Editor since I was constantly having to fix things that were broken in Google so that Waze routing worked.
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Re: [Script] WME Toolbox (>1.4.2.8)

Postby KuniaKid » Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:59 pm

Looks to me like Waze is gathering data for a legal argument.

https://www.waze.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=105736

At any rate, for those of use that used the link to submit errors/corrections to Google, this looks promising.
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Re: [Script] WME Toolbox (>1.4.2.8)

Postby kentsmith9 » Wed Aug 20, 2014 6:44 pm

AdreNalinGuY wrote:kentsmith9, There is not much difference between ToolBox now and validator, plus it may be still helpfull for you cause country managers have a lot more tools in toolbox than Rank 3 editors like me.

You are correct that for some of us the tool provides other highly useful functions.

AdreNalinGuY wrote:CBenson, this is clearly not because of copyright. The removal of the live map link doesn't make no sense. There is something else in between but we will never know what. They treat us like minorities, we don't have to know much. Do your job and shut up. At least this is how I feel.

The links to other mapping tools was in a gray copyright area that Waze/Google is not willing to risk given the size of the company. The Live Map link was not. I have not yet spoken to Oyyo on that particular link removal, but my assumption is that can likely be added back in. Note that Oyyo is very busy with real life (like many of us) and may have just removed them all not thinking that Live Map is a Waze tool without copyright restriction considerations.

Maybe we just need to ask him to add it back and not blow up over it. ;)

I have spoken to Waze staff over my 2.5 years of editing. I have been to Israel and spent a few days with their management and editors. I know for a fact that they greatly appreciate all the work and effort of the editing community. I realize some actions may feel as though they don't, but sometimes it is a combination of circumstances that leads to a result that may not make sense to us outsiders.

Don't forget that every one of us has 100% control of whether we are doing any work inside of the Waze maps. If you are too frustrated, just don't log in anymore. Save yourself an ulcer. :mrgreen:
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