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New(?) Idea - Custom Picture Underlay

Postby wolfsbane2k » Thu Feb 06, 2014 12:42 am

Hi,

I've recently been mapping out a new housing estate from a mix of hand drawn maps, paved roads and URs.
I was wondering if it's possible to add a new layer for a locally selected picture to be laid between the satellite view and the roads, possibly with a scale, transparency & rotation option? Specifically, i'm thinking of scanning the hand drawn map in and then tweaking it to lay over the drawn GPS points so that road names etc and specific features can be added.

Just a ponderation!

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Re: New(?) Idea - Custom Picture Underlay

Postby taco909 » Sun Aug 03, 2014 9:10 pm

The Bing/Google thing is very interesting.
One of the tools that I use for timing traffic signals uses Bing maps for backgrounds. The company wanted to use Google (likely because they tend to be more current), but Google's licensing agreement would have required them to pay for each tile downloaded by each client.
Bing agreed to a fixed-price contract.
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Re: New(?) Idea - Custom Picture Underlay

Postby taco909 » Sat Aug 02, 2014 2:22 am

Based on the above exchange, is this now permitted?
From what I'm reading, it sounds like I am not even allowed to drive to a location and write down street names in a new development that has been paved and needs editing.
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Re: New(?) Idea - Custom Picture Underlay

Postby qwaletee » Mon Aug 04, 2014 3:14 pm

CBenson wrote:
qwaletee wrote:The Supreme Court says so.

Waze covers a much larger area than the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court does.


Yes, I should have specified I was only covering US IP law. Should be OK for US sources for US maps.
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Re: New(?) Idea - Custom Picture Underlay

Postby qwaletee » Sun Aug 03, 2014 8:19 pm

No, that's not true. Facts are not copyrightable. For example, the phone book can't be copyrighted (the telcos tried to back when they still had a monopoly and it mattered to them that someone might copy the Yellow Pages or White Pages). The Supreme Court says so.

So feel free to go to a new development, Pave Roads, jot down names from street signs, and publish to the map.

The issue at hand is whether you can take someone else's map or satellite image, and trace its outlines. For a map, if you literally follow its contours, you would have a problem. If you use it as guidance for how to draw your own, without actually tarcing it, you are on safer ground, though there cna still be issues.

Satellite images taken by a private company might have the same rule as a map. It isn't clear. if I take a picture of a public place, even though he place and its appearance can't be copyrighted, my image of it can be, because my particular "take" is a creative work. Whether satellite images from space taken by an automated system can be considered creative is not as cut and dried, but there is room for the publishers to say so, especially since they apply their own "creative algorithms" to stitch together the smaller images into a somewhat seamless whole.

Google satellite images are not a problem, because they are licensed to Waze. Waze used to license Bing, and I'm not sure how that license worked, but today, Bing isn't licensed, and any new tracings would be questionable.
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Re: New(?) Idea - Custom Picture Underlay

Postby qwaletee » Fri Aug 01, 2014 4:42 am

I now have a tool that makes it possible to put your browser window on top of an image viewer, and make the browser window semi-transparent, revealing the graphic underneath.
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Re: New(?) Idea - Custom Picture Underlay

Postby OhioStMusicMan » Mon Aug 18, 2014 6:22 pm

Taco909 wrote:Based on the above exchange, is this now permitted?
From what I'm reading, it sounds like I am not even allowed to drive to a location and write down street names in a new development that has been paved and needs editing.


This is the end of the entry regarding external sources:
Waze Staff wrote:Note that external copyright information does not include any source of information that is provided by Waze through the internal tools of the online editor or application. Also any information developed independently by a user being physically present at a site is acceptable to add to the map as long as it is provided without copyright. (emphasis added)


So, of course, physically going somewhere and getting information is perfectly valid. Otherwise, URs wouldn't be allowed! That being said, basically, if you're using data from a private entity, chances are it is copyrighted and it's not a good idea to use it (eg., using Mapquest map info to modify the waze map). Documents/maps made by the federal government are not protected by copyright BUT documents made by individual states or localities COULD be (thank you 10th amendment). So, to be safe, do a bit of background digging to make sure you're safe.

With all of that said, I could certainly use such a tool with items I know are in the clear! ;)
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Re: New(?) Idea - Custom Picture Underlay

Postby iainhouse » Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:29 am

CBenson wrote:
qwaletee wrote:The Supreme Court says so.

Waze covers a much larger area than the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court does.


Someone should remind the Supreme Court of that. :lol:
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Re: custom imagery

Postby dbraughlr » Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:56 am

AndyPoms wrote:Waze can't be held responsible for anything you do on your own - i.e. you can't use them and then try to charge Waze for their use or try to sue them for not licensing them from you.


I suppose I'll get to that right after I win a suit for decent wages and benefits.

The official policy refers to any "external copyrighted source".
Not everything is copyrighted, certainly not engineering plans that are available free from government websites. It's not like we are stealing their design.

In the US, if the information is provided by state official sites (DOT) like the Tiger, you can use the data as a reference.

What is gray about this? Who created the work is unimportant. It is owned by the government and placed in the public domain. If you think it is a gray area, please ask Waze to rule on it.
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Re: custom imagery

Postby dbraughlr » Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:51 am

Photographs that I take myself are not copyrighted. I am licensed to use them anywhere and as often as I like.

I used an engineering diagram for an interchange. I challenge you to show what law that violates or what license is required.
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