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Idea for problem alleys?

Post by tonestertm
First, let me Very Clearly state that I am not suggesting this as a general approach to alley drawing!

Around here there are a few alleys on the map which are recurrent "problem alleys", which Waze tries to route folks through (I'm guessing during heavy traffic times), and 95% of them ignore it. Solve the Map Issue and go on, you say. Let the ignorant suffer!

Like the proverbial cat, these notifications will come back again and again for these particular segments. There are no apparent problems with the map--Parking Lot type, turns all around OK, doesn't seem to matter if they are named and/or City'ed or not. In actual fact, they may be faster than taking the street, but in my experience using the alleys around here for wholesale general through-traffic is frowned upon, they're sometimes in disrepair, and most people don't follow these routes anyway (as evidenced by the repeated MP's). There have been numerous threads about this type of Map Issue, but I haven't found anything to actually solve this "problem", short of deleting the alley altogether (which is, of course, an option, given the ongoing debate about the value of even drawing alleys on the map).

So I wondered: what if we add a junction (or two) into the given segment to "slow it down" even more than the Exit-from-a-Parking-Lot-Road penalty? As much as I truly detest data sprawl, in these problem cases this might be enough to discourage Waze from trying to send folks through these places in all but the worst of traffic, thus saving weary editors from the grievous tragedy of yet another three clicks of the mouse every couple of weeks. This could work for situations of unwanted routing through parking lots as well.

Perhaps I'm just beating a dead horse up the wrong tree into the wind. Thoughts?
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Post by tonestertm
OK. Thanks again. Lessons learned. Old data, don't forget to check the Livemap.... :chagrined:
Sorry to have wasted your time.
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Post by tonestertm
Thanks for all the great feedback! I guess the wiki needs updating/clarifying re: the penalty for junction nodes. (Not news, I know. The wiki alone is a pretty mammoth job. And there is no Add-ons tool....)

There are two spots immediately coming to mind, which are definitely not end-of-drive. Dunno about the old data thing, but I think you may be right (again) about the lack of actual User Reports, ottonomy. Good point. It does sometimes seem as though the automated Map Problems come out in batches, maybe there's a cache and the problem's still being held after the problem is solved, hence the broken display in your example, but I would doubt that.

Here's a permalink I've created for one of the usual suspects (though there's no Issue at the moment). Northbound La Cienega to Eastbound Santa Monica and I've actually seen all of these segments as Waze generated suggestion, with the user drives continuing on past on Santa Monica. Again, I suspect this usually happens at rush hour, and this whole area gets pretty busy and the route may be faster, but it's a parking lot road, fer cryin' out loud....
https://www.waze.com/editor/?lon=-118.3 ... 2,61655529
I have seen this one show up at least twice, perhaps as many as four times over a substantial length of time, without an evident problem on the map.

And, davipt, I don't think anyone responded to you; if I understand you correctly, these are not residential streets, but small access roads running parallel to main streets, usually, but not always, behind businesses. They're not meant for regular traffic, but access to rear entrances or parking lots, sometimes parking under/behind apartment buildings or even houses with a garage in the rear. Thanks for the ideas.

OK, here's another one that's live right now, and I know I've seen it quite some time ago. The difficult left turn out of the alley on to Cahuenga is even Disallowed!
https://www.waze.com/editor/?lon=-118.3 ... 0,62193649
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