Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Waze Clients

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Re: Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Waze Clien

Postby mapcat » Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:01 pm

jenncard wrote:Per The Chicago Manual of Style, the correct abbreviation for Doctor is "Dr." and Saint is "St." (just as Ph.D. and NOT PhD is the correct abbreviation for that which I seek) :geek:

I must have left my Chicago Manual of Style in my other office, so I can't check, but what does it recommend for Drive or Street?
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Re: Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Waze Clien

Postby jenncard » Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:32 pm

No love there.
While acknowledging that the US Postal Service prefers all caps and without the use of periods (e.g. "ST"), Chicago prefers the form of abbreviations with an initial capital and a period (e.g. "St.") when presented in tabular format and the like. In running text, Chicago advises that one spell out rather than abbreviate.

For those not listed, Chicago recommends that one consult a dictionary.
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Re: Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Waze Clien

Postby jenncard » Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:36 pm

Additional fly in the ointment, Chicago also diverges from USPS treatment of addresses containing compass points:
Single-letter compass points accompanying a street name are normally followed by a period; two-letter ones are not. (The US Postal Service does not use periods for either)
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Re: Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Waze Clien

Postby bgodette » Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:21 pm

I think we all realized going into this that it was not going to be trivial. I agree with Harling that whatever we come up with needs to be consistent and easy to implement in the parser.

Perhaps the way we should be approaching this is by what abbreviations are ambiguous; What else is there beyond the compass directions, St, Dr, and Bus? Are there other conflicts for Spanish and French? And then there's the ROTW once they get TTS.
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Re: Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Waze Clien

Postby bmitch3020 » Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:29 pm

Any automated solution is going to result in a lot of one-off or edge cases that don't work correctly. I think the best solution is to provide a TTS input under the Label input. Use the default TTS rules if no values are provided, and show the expanded value. And if "customize TTS" or some other checkbox is selected, allow the map editor to put in plain English (or their language of choice) into the TTS box. E.g.:

Label: Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. St N
TTS: Doctor Martin Luther King Junior Street North

Label: N St.
TTS: N Street

Label: Geo Wash Pkwy
TTS: George Washington Parkway

This way the label can match the sign, but the editor can fix the TTS if we see the default isn't correct.
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Re: Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Waze Clien

Postby dmcconachie » Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:38 pm

In my humble opinion, "N St" should be "North St". In this case it's the name not a prefix or suffix!
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Re: Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Waze Clien

Postby CBenson » Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:58 pm

How should the street between "M St" and "O St" be input so that it is not spoken "North St?"
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Re: Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Waze Clien

Postby gettingthere » Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:19 pm

May need to use a single or double quote around the street name so that Waze understands that it's not an abbreviation that needs to be expanded.

"N" St
or
'N' St

We just need to decide on a standard to use and ensure the TTS acts as we expect.

For example: in centro/downtown Tijuana Mexico, some streets are named with a letter. On the physical street signs, the letter is in double quotes.
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Re: Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Waze Clien

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:20 pm

gettingthere wrote:May need to use a single or double quote around the street name so that Waze understands that it's not an abbreviation that needs to be expanded.

Do quotes still result in being backslash-escaped to \' and \" ? I haven't tried recently.
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Re: Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Waze Clien

Postby gettingthere » Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:43 pm

AlanOfTheBerg wrote:Do quotes still result in being backslash-escaped to \' and \" ? I haven't tried recently.


I don't know. I'll have to set a route to somewhere in downtown Tijuana and find out how it's pronounced in the TTS.
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