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Re: search by numeral

Postby dbraughlr » Wed Jun 04, 2014 7:21 pm

sketch wrote:Street names should still match signs. If it says "Louis XIV" use "Louis XIV". No one is going to think to search for their aunt's house at 1234 Louis The 14th St", and it's going to look wrong on the client display.


So where the signs say "First St", "Second St", etc, and Waze has "1st St", "2nd St", etc, that is wrong, looks wrong in the client, and causes searches to fail? Is this written is our road naming standard somewhere?

It seems to me that the fuzzy search engines can treat "XIV" as a synonym for "14" and search correctly.

Of course, writing "the 14th" instead of "XIV" goes back to the matter of pronunciation and how to get "Louis" spoken as "Louie" which would be a good way to handle pronunciation of Roman numerals too.
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Re: Roman numerals

Postby sketch » Fri Jun 06, 2014 3:30 pm

dbraughlr wrote:Another proposal in another thread addressed this; I'm pretty sure you were there.

Unless it was to give us a manually-controlled pronunciation field, I don't recall it.
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Re: Roman numerals

Postby txemt » Fri Jun 06, 2014 6:19 am

dbraughlr wrote:
sketch wrote:Unless "Louis" is pronounced neither the English nor the French way, it cannot be "fixed". In some places one will be right, and in others the other, but no universal fix is possible.

Another proposal in another thread addressed this; I'm pretty sure you were there.


Same with Ponce de Leon.
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Re: Roman numerals

Postby dbraughlr » Fri Jun 06, 2014 5:32 am

sketch wrote:Unless "Louis" is pronounced neither the English nor the French way, it cannot be "fixed". In some places one will be right, and in others the other, but no universal fix is possible.

Another proposal in another thread addressed this; I'm pretty sure you were there.
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Re: Roman numerals

Postby sketch » Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:49 pm

dbraughlr wrote:I favor eliminating all Roman numerals as abbreviations. The disadvantages far outweigh any advantages. Pronunciation of "XIV" can be addressed when the pronunciation of "Louis" is addressed.

Unless "Louis" is pronounced neither the English nor the French way, it cannot be "fixed". In some places one will be right, and in others the other, but no universal fix is possible.

Now, on the other hand, there is no reason why "Iberville" should be pronounced "d'Iberville"...
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Re: Roman numerals

Postby dbraughlr » Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:16 pm

I favor eliminating all Roman numerals as abbreviations. The disadvantages far outweigh any advantages. Pronunciation of "XIV" can be addressed when the pronunciation of "Louis" is addressed.
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Re: Roman numerals

Postby dbraughlr » Wed Jun 04, 2014 7:32 pm

GizmoGuy411 wrote:I agree with sketch in that I am really not very concerned about Roman Numerals and that the letters themselves are more important at least for North America using the English voices.

We all agree.

GizmoGuy411 wrote:What I am MORE concerned with is why these variations exist in the first place and if they are indicators of some bad RegEx that needs to be addressed at the Waze end, as other parts of the world may need Roman Numerals.


Scrapping Roman numerals is a good way to avoid the bugs and problems they cause.

GizmoGuy411 wrote:Actually I don't think there are many more instances than those I listed as potential conflicts with Roman Numerals. This was limited to valid Roman Numerals, not simply every possible combination of letters used in Roman Numerals. I'll edit that in the prior post.


The highest number you gave in the prior post was MM. In order for that range of Roman numerals to work, all 2000 combinations from "I.", "II.", to "MCMXCIX.", "MM." would have to be defined as abbreviations.
That seems unrealistic. That's why I suggested an upper limit like 30.
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Re: Roman numerals

Postby GizmoGuy411 » Wed Jun 04, 2014 3:10 pm

dbraughlr wrote:
GizmoGuy411 wrote:Therefore we may need to follow suite for the letters used for Roman Numerals too.

From what you listed, there are thousands of them. That's clutter.
What range do you really intend to cover?

GizmoGuy411 wrote:So maybe Roman Numerals could use a period after them instead of quotes to differentiate them.

That doesn't seem likely, at least not if you intend to cover a range beyond 1 to 30.

What's wrong with using Louis the 14th instead of Louis XIV.? If anything, our experience with N/E/S/W should tell us that it was a bad precedent that should not be expanded.


I agree with sketch in that I am really not very concerned about Roman Numerals and that the letters themselves are more important at least for North America using the English voices.

What I am MORE concerned with is why these variations exist in the first place and if they are indicators of some bad RegEx that needs to be addressed at the Waze end, as other parts of the world may need Roman Numerals.

So any submission I may to Waze at this point will be to just point out the inconsistencies. We have plenty of one off issues with TTS pronunciation that is something that may be able to be adjusted in the future via the editor on an individual basis.

Issues like "Sulgrave Dr" being pronounced in the past as "Sulgrave Doctor" however where of concern as in this case it may have been indicative of a wider problem that could effect other names as Doctor vs Drive was more of a global concern.

Actually I don't think there are many more instances than those I listed as potential conflicts with Roman Numerals. This was limited to valid Roman Numerals, not simply every possible combination of letters used in Roman Numerals. I'll edit that in the prior post.
Not sure I agree with you that there are thousands of RN combinations, as many combinations of the letters in RNs are not actually valid RNs.
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Re: Roman numerals

Postby dbraughlr » Wed Jun 04, 2014 7:37 am

GizmoGuy411 wrote:Therefore we may need to follow suite for the letters used for Roman Numerals too.

From what you listed, there are thousands of them. That's clutter.
What range do you really intend to cover?

GizmoGuy411 wrote:So maybe Roman Numerals could use a period after them instead of quotes to differentiate them.

That doesn't seem likely, at least not if you intend to cover a range beyond 1 to 30.

What's wrong with using Louis the 14th instead of Louis XIV.? If anything, our experience with N/E/S/W should tell us that it was a bad precedent that should not be expanded.
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Re: Roman numerals

Postby GizmoGuy411 » Wed Jun 04, 2014 6:55 am

dbraughlr wrote:Whether Louis XIV is read as lewis ex eye vee or lewis fourteenth, it won't be perfect.

I think we want C, D, I, L, M, V, and X pronounced as letters. It seems that Roman numerals are the exceptions and should require special notation if used at all.


While the logic that the Roman Numerals are the exceptions, and therefore should require special notations seems correct, we have to remember that we have already have set a precedence to use quotes around the letters N, E, S, and W, to get the them pronounced as letters instead of the cardinal directions.

Therefore we may need to follow suite for the letters used for Roman Numerals too.

Of course there are other conflicts to consider as well including: (examples using valid Roman Numerals only, and not every combination of the letters used in Roman Numerals)

CD = cd or 400 ?
CM = centimeter or 900 ?
DC = District of Columbia or 600 ?
MD = Maryland or 1500 ?
MI = Michigan or 1001 ?
MIX = Mix or 1009 ?
MM = millimeter or 2000 ?

So maybe Roman Numerals could use a period after them instead of quotes to differentiate them.
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