Questions submitted to reporter. Thank you PesachZ.
triordan_4
Northern Tampa Bay Area Manager, Florida
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Answers to your questions:
"I believe it was provided from the beginning, and it recalculated after we turned left (as we could turn, just not a uturn as per instruction). My preference is set to fastest"
"I believe it was provided from the beginning, and it recalculated after we turned left (as we could turn, just not a uturn as per instruction). My preference is set to fastest"
triordan_4
Northern Tampa Bay Area Manager, Florida
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@PesachZ
Do you still need that first UR at the BBDowns Intersection open? Or are we thinking that's the same issue?
PL: https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lo ... emFilter=0
Do you still need that first UR at the BBDowns Intersection open? Or are we thinking that's the same issue?
PL: https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lo ... emFilter=0
triordan_4
Northern Tampa Bay Area Manager, Florida
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I experienced a double left u-turn this morning that appears set up correctly to prevent the double left u-turn. The intersection is signed no u-turns.
https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lo ... st=4831791
1. Composed of 3 segments, with the 2 legs in opposite travel directions. Does the A-B direction of the segment affect this? Because both are one way A->B?
2. Composed with a short median. It is currently 42.65 ft.
3. In/out parallelism is within +/- 5 degrees of parallel. In segment to median is 86 degrees. Median to out segment is 95 degrees. 86 + 95 = 181
This was a reroute this morning. I was getting some really odd routes. I don't believe this was the first segment in a route/reroute as noted in the Wiki article. https://wiki.waze.com/wiki/Junction_Sty ... ersections
Any ideas?
https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lo ... st=4831791
1. Composed of 3 segments, with the 2 legs in opposite travel directions. Does the A-B direction of the segment affect this? Because both are one way A->B?
2. Composed with a short median. It is currently 42.65 ft.
3. In/out parallelism is within +/- 5 degrees of parallel. In segment to median is 86 degrees. Median to out segment is 95 degrees. 86 + 95 = 181
This was a reroute this morning. I was getting some really odd routes. I don't believe this was the first segment in a route/reroute as noted in the Wiki article. https://wiki.waze.com/wiki/Junction_Sty ... ersections
Any ideas?
I was traveling I-78 W this morning. Waze suggested Exit 40: SR-737 / Kutztown like it does every morning. And like every morning, I take PA-100 S to Schantz Rd to US-222 S. Usually when I get off the exit, Waze reroutes to 100/Schantz/222. This morning it suggested using the 4 cloverleafs to make a complete u-turn back to I-78 W (and I'm assuming Exit 40). I ignored it and continued, causing a 2nd reroute using the double left u-turn for 100 S to 100 N.PesachZ wrote: How many segments after the reroute was this? Was the reroute trying to get you back into your previous route and using the U-turn to do that?
I count 6 segments after the ramp that I passed causing the 2nd reroute until the intersection where the double left u-turn at Penn Dr was suggested.
https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lo ... 7,84050698
I expect Waze was trying to take me back to I-78 given it's persistence after the first reroute using the 4 cloverleafs.
I read that in the Wiki but it noted if it was the first or last segment when rerouted. There are 6 segments in that stretch but I could have been anywhere among them when it rerouted. I've only seen it that one time. Like I said, I was getting really odd routes that morning in general. Maybe Waze had too much to drink the night before?? I'll see if it happens again.qwaletee wrote:Unlimited,
Waze is known to ignore the U-turn penalty when encouraging you to return to a route.
Ok. Makes sense. The suggested U-turn experienced likely came from the app itself without knowledge of the u-turn prevention penalties.PesachZ wrote:To expand on this a bit further. When you miss a turn or deviate from your route, the app will try to get you back on route as quick as possible.qwaletee wrote:Unlimited,
Waze is known to ignore the U-turn penalty when encouraging you to return to a route.
This is first attempted through client-side (with offline routing, where there are no closures, or special penalties applied).
Only if the client cant find a route back to your original route in a set time frame, will it then pass the recalc to the routing server (with full penalties and closures).
For the wiki:
1) The median segment is less than 15m.
2) The first and last segment of the uturn are one-way segments, with opposite driving directions.
3) The portion of those two segments closest to the median segment must be exactly parallel ±5°.
A convenient way to check for parallel is relative to the short segment. There should be no geometry nodes on this segment. then we need to check two angles:
X -- the angle between the incoming one-way segment and the short segment
Y -- the angle between the outgoing one-way segment and the short segment.
If the sum of these two angles is within 5 degrees of 180, then rule 3 is satisfied.
In the example below, angle X is 102 degrees and angle Y is 75 degrees. The sum is 177, which is within 3 degrees of 180. Therefore rule 3 is satisfied.
https://wiki.waze.com/wiki/images/2/21/ ... _Champ.pnghttps://wiki.waze.com/wiki/images/2/2f/ ... lvania.pnghttps://s.waze.tools/beta.png
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Oh elaborations and complications! I will muse on that and come up with some wording.
https://wiki.waze.com/wiki/images/2/21/ ... _Champ.pnghttps://wiki.waze.com/wiki/images/2/2f/ ... lvania.pnghttps://s.waze.tools/beta.png
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1) there is a median segment of length less than 15 m
2) the U-turn to be considered consists of one one-way segment incoming to the median segment, the median segment, and one one-way segment outbound from the median segment.
3) The portion of those two segments closest to the median segment must be exactly parallel ±5°.
A convenient way to check for parallel is relative to a reference segment that connects the A and B nodes of the median segment with no geometry nodes. A median segment with no geometry nodes is its own reference segment. The reference segment can be deleted after the check is complete, if appropriate. Check two angles:
X -- the angle between the incoming one-way segment and the reference segment
Y -- the angle between the outgoing one-way segment and the reference segment.
If the sum of these two angles is within 5 degrees of 180, then rule 3 is satisfied.
In the example below, angle X is 102 degrees and angle Y is 75 degrees. The sum is 177, which is within 3 degrees of 180. Therefore rule 3 is satisfied.
https://wiki.waze.com/wiki/images/2/21/ ... _Champ.pnghttps://wiki.waze.com/wiki/images/2/2f/ ... lvania.pnghttps://s.waze.tools/beta.png
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Re: U-turn editing?