Another Odd Route

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Re: Another Odd Route

Postby gettingthere » Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:30 pm

MReiser4670 wrote:Damn! Here, try this. https://www.waze.com/editor/?zoom=9&lon ... s=61566856


It would be valuable if Waze could find these and identify them as a Map Problem in WME. Much more value to identify this type of problem than a missing road in a Parking Lot or Gas Station...
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Re: Another Odd Route

Postby MReiser » Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:05 pm

CBenson wrote:
MReiser4670 wrote:Damn! Here, try this. https://www.waze.com/editor/?zoom=9&lon ... s=61566856

Hmm. That can't be good. How did you find it?


I just figured something had to be amiss with that junction so I pulled it apart (without saving it) and there it was.

That right turn w/ u-turn is actually the 3rd best route through that intersection. If you stay straight through to Pasadena Rd, there is a valid u-turn that could be made at Oak Ave. There has to be something that is keeping Waze from routing straight. The turns are also enabled with that segment too, but I have to imagine that little segment doesn't help matters.
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Re: Another Odd Route

Postby CBenson » Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:43 pm

MReiser4670 wrote:Damn! Here, try this. https://www.waze.com/editor/?zoom=9&lon ... s=61566856

Hmm. That can't be good. How did you find it?
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Re: Another Odd Route

Postby CBenson » Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:40 pm

R4CLucky14 wrote:Is it possible it's faster, if the left turn can only go on an arrow, and the arrow is short, then it could takes several minutes to take a left (I know an intersection where it takes over 90 seconds to get an arrow (and can only go on an arrow), but also takes 3 cycles to get through it if your in the back. )

If there is right on red, one could take a right if clear, then cross all the lanes, hang a u-turn, and go straight through the green light...

It is conceivable that under certain conditions its faster to make the right and U, but seems unlikely to me. There lights are timed to get the left turns through the intersection. Most traffic is turning onto Gov Ritchie, theres not much actual cross traffic going straight through.
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Re: Another Odd Route

Postby MReiser » Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:38 pm

CBenson wrote:
MReiser4670 wrote: this little extraneous segment.
The link takes me to Hamilton, NJ.


Damn! Here, try this. https://www.waze.com/editor/?zoom=9&lon ... s=61566856
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Re: Another Odd Route

Postby CBenson » Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:32 pm

MReiser4670 wrote: this little extraneous segment.
The link takes me to Hamilton, NJ.
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Re: Another Odd Route

Postby MReiser » Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:16 pm

I just zoomed in real close to the intersection and found this little extraneous segment. Could it have some effect? It's only connected on one end.
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Re: Another Odd Route

Postby CBenson » Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:09 pm

Yes. I would guess that redoing the intersection will help. I'll likely eliminate the split in Pasadena Rd. But I've seen a bunch of update requests like this. I'm really hoping that it not necessary to delete and rebuild segments each time I see a routing error like this in a UR.
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Re: Another Odd Route

Postby MReiser » Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:02 pm

CBenson wrote:
MReiser4670 wrote:This intersection is even more complicated, but the type of layout does resolve most if not all of these issues. Take a REALLYCLOSE look at the junctions to see the detail.

I don't understand how this intersection would solve my routing problem. Both routes in my example (simply making the left turn or making a right turn / U-turn) are valid permitted routes. Its just that the right/U-turn makes no sense from a practical routing perspective. What waze is essentially doing is giving this route. I don't see that your intersection would prevent this.


I have to admit, when I looked at this Saturday night, it was routed correctly so I guess I misunderstood what was happening. I didn't re-check it before I posted my examples, and now that I see it, I don't think they'll help. :oops:

The only possible thing I noticed is that on the Live Map, the section of East West Blvd between the two sets of lanes of Gov Ritchie Hwy has an avg speed of 0 mph. I realize that info isn't necessarily what Waze uses, but it may have some merit. Perhaps deleting and rebuilding the 3 segments from before the intersection through the turn may help?
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Re: Another Odd Route

Postby CBenson » Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:36 pm

MReiser4670 wrote:This intersection is even more complicated, but the type of layout does resolve most if not all of these issues. Take a REALLYCLOSE look at the junctions to see the detail.

I don't understand how this intersection would solve my routing problem. Both routes in my example (simply making the left turn or making a right turn / U-turn) are valid permitted routes. Its just that the right/U-turn makes no sense from a practical routing perspective. What waze is essentially doing is giving this route. I don't see that your intersection would prevent this.
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