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Post by Nomenclator1677
When the old permalinks will be outdated, does that mean you will also change all the old permalinks throughout the forums ?
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Post by kdevries
Good idea,

But I think it would be good to prolong the period that both types of permalinks are operational.



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Post by iamrioo
Good point
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Post by ldriveskier
Another idea is for someone to create a script that converts between the old and new permalinks. I would imagine they would both need to have the critical information (latitude, longitude, segment IDs, etc), so this shouldn't be very hard.
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wimvandierendonck wrote:
ldriveskier wrote:Another idea is for someone to create a script that converts between the old and new permalinks.
I would prefer not to need another script.
And if such script would exist it would stop people from running into permalink issues during the 4 month period. It would even would decrease the likelihood of these issues ever getting fixed. As a consequence newbie editors would keep experiencing issues until they learn about the existence of scripts.

Maybe it would be better to warn people about using an old style permalink after the 4 month period. If that warning could contain some actions that can be taken to avoid it in the future it would be even better.
I agree that not needing yet another script would be ideal. I also like the idea of such a script NOT existing during the 4 month period that both the old and new permalinks would work (or maybe up until the 3.5 month mark to allow for testing). However, after that time period, there WILL be old style permalinks somewhere that didn't get converted. A script to convert them would then be useful. The "script" could even be like the conversion calculators for unit conversions (eg, feet to meters, etc) where you paste the old Permalink in a box and get a new Permalink output to copy wherever you need it.

Besides old Permalinks within the forums and the wikis, I also have some bookmarked and pasted in my personal documents and notes that I might forget to convert and need to access later. There are also a bunch of shared spreadsheets with Permalinks for various purposes and probably other places that I can't even think of right now. So, there will still be a need for some type of script or conversion tool after the 4 month time period.
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Post by iainhouse
hmarian wrote:I would like to hear the reason behind this decision.
delilush wrote:Currently they are very long and accumulate data in an inefficient manner. Our planned solution will make permalinks shorter, more manageble and still include relevant data
I'm not sure that this change will be so much of a problem - and I am sure we won't know the scope of the problem until we see the new format - hint, hint HQ. :)

Having said that, I also don't see why support for old-style permalinks requires any expiry date. It will be a simple conversion job and one that will not require any re-coding unless you change the new format again. So cutting off that support at any time seems like an arbitrary decision for no apparent reason.

We have had a change in permalink formats in the past. The change in layer specifications from a string of T/F characters to a numeric value certainly stopped the layers portion of older permalinks working, but the position/zoom continued working.

I would ask HQ that, if the changes are still in development, efforts should be made to preserve the compatibility of basic requirements like position and zoom between the old & new formats, even if selection of layers will change.

I'll also say that, whilst I think it is good to preserve the functioning of old permalinks, I'm not sure it's really that important. The vast majority of permalinks will be for things like unlock or help requests and will never be clicked again after a week or two. I question how many permalinks in posts older than a year will ever be used again.
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Post by iainhouse
Nomenclator1677 wrote:But maybe we are the only ones that need that, are we ?
And maybe you're not. "Not very important" is my opinion from my perspective and I'm quite happy to recognise that there will be other situations where having old permalinks continue working is a genuine requirement.

As I added to my post above, I can't actually see how maintaining old permalink compatibility can be a problem for Waze when it's a piece of code that never needs to be changed unless the permalink format changes again. So every good example of why old permalinks might be in use is another reason for Waze to re-consider what otherwise appears to be an arbitrary decision of having a cutoff date.
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Post by hmarian
Nomenclator1677 wrote:
delilush wrote:...
Legacy format
Maintaining a legacy format for permalinks is resource intensive. This is the reason that it was decided to only keep them at full function for a limited amount of time. After the transition year, the layer information for old permalinks will stop working, however lat, long, zoom and id are expected to still be functional on old permalinks...
That means, we will have a year to convert old permalinks to the new format.

Thanks for the work we will have :evil:
The layer information will be lost, not the coordinates and object id. Updating old Permalink is a significant undertake and may be a waste of time if the information preserved as stated.
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Post by johnsninja58
Glodenox wrote: Daliah: has it been considered to just drop the layers information altogether from the permalink? It should be looked at by all communities, but so far I haven't seen anyone actually relying on it (quite the opposite, actually).
Quite a few scripts out there to remove the layers. I agree layer info could easily be managed with a cookie.


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Post by kdevries
Glodenox wrote:If it is only the part of information about layers that changes, this shouldn't be an issue for anyone.
Personally I even prefer to not have the layers information within the permalink at all as I've never had the need for that information from someone else. If they say 'look at the place at this location', I know that I need to enable the places layer (though it will already become enabled if the permalink contains a place id).

Daliah: has it been considered to just drop the layers information altogether from the permalink? It should be looked at by all communities, but so far I haven't seen anyone actually relying on it (quite the opposite, actually).
I fully support this idea
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