Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Waze Clients

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Re: Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Waze Clien

Postby baysidelass » Tue Aug 11, 2015 3:29 am

Hello, R2 editor here. A Point Place is named Pass & ID PAX NAS. When I navigated to it today, Jane said it as, "Pass and Idaho Paz Naz". Is there an acceptable abbreviation for "Identification"? PL is https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lo ... 107.645656 Thank you.
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Re: Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Waze Clien

Postby baysidelass » Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:40 am

PesachZ wrote:
Baysidelass wrote:Hello, R2 editor here. A Point Place is named Pass & ID PAX NAS. When I navigated to it today, Jane said it as, "Pass and Idaho Paz Naz". Is there an acceptable abbreviation for "Identification"? PL is https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lo ... 107.645656 Thank you.

Just to be sure I understand, is PAX an abbreviation as well, and what should it say? ( It sounds like pax to me now)
You can use "I.D." to say the letters I D


Hi, PesachZ, Thank you for clarifying "I.D." will work. "PAX" is short for Patuxent; for this location, usual abbreviation is "PAX RIV". Full name is Naval Air Station Patuxent River. I think this would work best for TTS; what do you think? "Pass & I.D. Office N.A.S. Patuxent River"
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Re: Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Waze Clien

Postby baysidelass » Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:39 pm

PesachZ wrote:
Baysidelass wrote:Hi, PesachZ, Thank you for clarifying "I.D." will work. "PAX" is short for Patuxent; for this location, usual abbreviation is "PAX RIV". Full name is Naval Air Station Patuxent River. I think this would work best for TTS; what do you think? "Pass & I.D. Office N.A.S. Patuxent River"

Depends on the desired result. "N.A.S." will say the letters NAS, whereas "NAS" will say Naval Air Station.


I think then it should be "NAS" because Naval Air Station will sound more familiar to new personnel and visitors looking for routing to the pass office. Thank you!
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Re: Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Waze Clien

Postby beej666 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 7:35 pm

hi all,

one of my country managers (USA), kentsmith9, suggested i seek feedback here. i made a post at https://www.waze.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=129244 because i'm trying to figure out the procedure for getting a TTS failure addressed.

i recently made a UR about the fact that a street named "Buena Vista Ave" has the "Buena" pronounced "Byoonah" by the TTS. the map editor who handled the UR uploaded this video demonstrating it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ2Iw-L9__A

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Re: Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Waze Clien

Postby beej666 » Tue Feb 24, 2015 1:10 am

i still don't understand how the fix gets made. i've been made to understand that somebody from the Google Waze team will need to fill out some sort of request upstream with the TTS provider. who is that person? how does my request get in their inbox?
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Re: Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Waze Clien

Postby beej666 » Tue Mar 03, 2015 1:45 am

thanks for the responses.

forgive me if i sound presumptuous, but the current "system" for getting mispronunciations fixed sounds extremely error-prone, at best. even if the current mess were the best we could do given the current circumstances, some sort of order should be made of the chaos. at the very least, it would be nice if there were somewhere to go for users to see if their particular TTS gripe is already in process for getting fixed.

are either GizmoGuy411 or sketch up for putting up a wiki page documenting the current system and what is being fixed and what won't be fixed?

sending community members to this depressingly long thread when they report TTS problems just isn't a good idea, IMNSHO. it's a turnoff :-/
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Re: Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Waze Clien

Postby beej666 » Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:21 pm

sketch wrote:Trust me, it's no less disappointing waiting for months at Waze staff's toes


i feel your pain

sketch wrote:with a long list of desired pronunciations.


since you already have the list, why not post it somewhere? i guess this dead horse is tired of being kicked, but i just hate to see all this back and forth yield nothing tangibly good :-/

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Re: Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Waze Clien

Postby berestovskyy » Tue May 14, 2013 2:45 pm

Hi!
We have an idea how to improve TTS pronunciation and how to deal with abbreviations. Basically we suggest to use Alt City/Street name to correctly pronounce names and/or to specify a short (abbreviated) street name.

Please support if you like the idea! ;)

Thanks!
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Re: Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Waze Clien

Postby berestovskyy » Tue May 14, 2013 6:58 pm

hmarian wrote:Working with Waze to fix this is the way to go.

Sure! This is just a suggestion :)

jasonh300 wrote:This would be a very bad idea and would defeat the true purpose of Alt Name fields (which is for search results).

No, it's not. For instance:
Street: Northeast Kentucky Industrial Parkway <- this would be used by default (for search in this case)
Alt City: #short Alt Name: Northeast Pkwy <- this would be used to display and for TTS

Correction of pronunciation:
Street: John Paul IV Street <- this would be used by default (for search and to display)
Alt City: #tts Alt Name: John Paul 4th St <- this would be used for TTS

The #tts name could be a transcription (phonetic spelling) of the street name.

Having a prefix (#) it's easy to disting those properties and not use them for search if you like. But its not such a bad idea if one could find both '4th' and 'IV' IMO.

jasonh300 wrote:However, it wouldn't be a bad idea for a new dedicated field in which a phonetic spelling of names could be entered.

You see! They call it a brainstorming ;)
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Re: Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Waze Clien

Postby berestovskyy » Mon May 20, 2013 8:22 am

PhantomSoul wrote:Frankly, introducing a hash tag syntax to names just further complicates a UI that already appears overwhelming for many new editors.

So we have suggested it works/appears for 3 or even 5 cones editors only. Also we can use Key-Value pairs "just like Alt names", not abusing alt names.

PhantomSoul wrote:A bigger caveat to this, however, might be how many editors are familiar with universal phonetic spelling, and how many of those are familiar with how to produce many of its whacky characters on a keyboard?

In fact, in Nuance it looks like this:

b a k w *r d z -> backwards

Here is the Nuance Grammar Developer's Guide (PDF), page 85.

A separate TTS field would encourage people to put there something. On the other hand, a Key-Value pairs would allow to fix TTS/shields etc for experienced editors only. And we know, the majority of the segments do not need any TTS correction or shields at all.
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