[New Page] Interstate Exit Area Place (IEAs)

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Re: [New Page] Interstate Exit Area Place (IEAs)

Postby HBiede » Sun Mar 24, 2019 4:10 am

HBiede wrote:
johnsninja58 wrote:
HBiede wrote:
Not a massive deal compared to deciding to use them, but I debated using Freeway Exit Areas (FEA) instead.

Just giving you a hard time on the number of vowels :D


No problem. I was kinda regretting the letter choice myself. I’ll probably switch it before any official action is taken.


Renamed to Freeway Exit Area because FEA rolls off the tongue a bit easier than IEA.
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Re: [New Page] Interstate Exit Area Place (IEAs)

Postby HBiede » Mon Mar 25, 2019 12:51 am

Kartografer wrote:What about FXA?

To my ears, the X clashes
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Re: [New Page] Interstate Exit Area Place (IEAs)

Postby HBiede » Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:03 am

Of course, the name is just a pedantic change.
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Re: [New Page] Interstate Exit Area Place (IEAs)

Postby HBiede » Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:00 am

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Re: [New Page] Interstate Exit Area Place (IEAs)

Postby herrchin » Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:11 pm

JoeRodriguez12 wrote:I agree, there really shouldn't be a national page on this if only some regions use it. I would say it would be better for one region to create it and if other regions want to link to it or copy/tweak it to their regions standards, then they can do so.

There's actually a challenge in our wiki standardization when the granularity exists in the middle of the spectrum between the endpoints of USA and State. We can end up with guidance that is close but not exactly the same between states of the same region, or even between regions. This drift may not have been intentional, but is more a side-effect of copy/paste/tweak, and then ultimately additional drift occurs as guidance matures. We could benefit instead from trying to agree upon regional or multi-regional text, and simply transcluding the exact same page into each state's/region's wiki.

True Elevation is a great example of this, where individual states started by copying from each other, adjusting, and ultimately some regions adopted regionwide guidance that is clearly 98% the same as others. See SER's Elevation guidance compared to SCR's Elevation guidance. I see wordsmithing that I originally cooked up embedded in those matured revisions, illustrating how pieces of a state's guidance evolves into an almost multi-regional standard.

Where I'm going with this is that I think it's a quality proposal to have a single nugget that multiple states/regions can agree on, one that can be embedded exactly into the participating states/regions. Revision processes can be similar to how national wiki guidance is revised. However, it's not nation-wide guidance, it's a multi-state or multi-regional level designation.

For regions other than SER that may have region-wide guidance but state-based wiki pages, it'd be better to transclude regional text into each state page, than to have copy/paste elements in each state page that ultimately tend to drift apart.

The more that we can standardize through regions or the US, ultimately the more consistent experience we deliver to Wazers.

And of course this is a meta-level proposal that maybe I should break out from this particular thread...
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Re: [New Page] Interstate Exit Area Place (IEAs)

Postby herrchin » Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:31 pm

HBiede wrote:Oh, lemme tell ya, I was not expecting this much of a discussion from a (initially seemingly) small idea.

Minimum thread size in Waze is always 3 pages ;)
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Re: [New Page] Interstate Exit Area Place (IEAs)

Postby herrchin » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:11 pm

I believe a primary argument for in-app display is for what shows during a live navigation, not a top-down summary view. In the very first carplay example, the exit number AP does not preempt nearby gas stations.

When I decided to argue in favor of this for a while Sunday night at the Mega Meetup (regardless of my true beliefs ;) ), I tried to boil down to another important aspect of Waze Landmarks that the wiki implies, but doesn't necessarily spell out. Landmarks help us identify places, roads, turns, and our own current position relative to the landmark. Interchange APs definitely contribute to that relationship, especially when the road design relative to the surrounding features doesn't necessarily create that at-a-glance identification of the interchange. "Petro is on the far side of the interchange" is more easily identified using an interchange AP than without.
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Re: [New Page] Interstate Exit Area Place (IEAs)

Postby herrchin » Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:07 pm

DwarfLord wrote:
herrchin wrote:Landmarks help us identify places, roads, turns, and our own current position relative to the landmark. Interchange APs definitely contribute to that relationship, especially when the road design relative to the surrounding features doesn't necessarily create that at-a-glance identification of the interchange. "Petro is on the far side of the interchange" is more easily identified using an interchange AP than without.

Could you post a screenshot illustrating that effect?

Of the relativity in general, or the AP helping define the boundary of the interchange? On the latter, I'm doing some searching, and I'm finding places I think we could add one to help clarify the relative position of things (more "busy" urban spots in general). Still searching for an existing one that is a great example already of places/turns near the AP. With mostly just a few plains states having interchange APs, I don't have a ton of dense examples to work with. For many of the plains ones, the interchange is the only notable navigation landmark around at all, and they're big/spread out.
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Re: [New Page] Interstate Exit Area Place (IEAs)

Postby herrchin » Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:53 pm

DwarfLord wrote:Thanks, I'd be interested to see any screenshot, really, that supports the case that a busy driver with only a second to glance at the screen would benefit from an Exit AP, while few if any drivers would need to accept cognitive & visual impairment in order to discern & digest what it says.

That's a good distinction on Landmark, because some Landmarks serve their purpose without any text at all. I didn't realize it explicitly, but on my previous point that is in fact what I was arguing for. The actual text is almost irrelevant for that use case, because it's far more about how it's a giant real-world element. Referring back to the very first post's image, the AP makes it a little easier to distinguish the interchange at a glance, vs. having to take in all the roads and have your brain go "ah, combined they're an interchange." Though, if your brain also processes the "Exit 353" text, that only serves to foster faster recognition (at the trade-off of text on the map at all encouraging reading, but we can't argue too much against that without killing all APs...)

I was trying to find a notable, existing example of that where there was even more "clutter" on the map, to where the AP made the interchange stand out easily because other nearby roads made the ramps blend in with the other road noise. On the first post's example, the diamond ramps are rather obvious with not much else around.

I'd consider having the AP having the exit number floating above it a separate purpose, with its own merits.
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Re: [New Page] Interstate Exit Area Place (IEAs)

Postby herrchin » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:25 pm

We cannot fault interchange APs for floating text and call it harmful without also calling for the removal of text on other APs: Cemetery, Jail, Fire Station, Police Station, School, etc. Either they're all bad, or it is not that big of a deal. Should we also remove the text from all roads that are not part of our route? I'm not being pedantic: either these nearby text elements are useful, or they are not. Yes, any visual distraction is ultimately bad compared to pure eyes-up driving, but that must be balanced with realistic expectations.

As for the AP "blob" on the map, it is nothing more than all the others I listed: relative associations. "I'm approaching the Fire Station, and my turn is just before it." "I'm next to the school; looks like my turn is 2 streets after the school." "The gas station is just before the interchange."

All elements of the navigation are complimentary. If one has disabled spoken directions (which many do), the visual elements become more important. If one is disciplined in keeping eyes on the road, might as well turn off the phone display entirely.
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