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Fuel types & naming

Post by YanisKyr
The fuel prices issue has been recently resolved, so restless me pulls the next step out of the drawer :mrgreen:

Currently we have 2 fuels available for the prices feature, named Petrol and Diesel.

My first suggestion is to rename Petrol --> Unleaded which is the correct term, and the one used by all fuel providers in Ireland.

My second suggestion is about "Premium" Fuel versions (for lack of a better term). Some of the fuel providers have started making them available in Ireland since earlier this year (links below). I suggest adding the below. I personally vouch for the "+" version as it's shorter and will keep the price page neat.
1. Unleaded Premium / Unleaded Plus / Unleaded+
2. Diesel Premium / Diesel Plus / Diesel+

So the end result I envision is Unleaded, Unleaded+, Diesel, Diesel+. What are your thoughts? :geek:

Circle K Miles Plus: https://www.circlek.ie/miles/milesplus/
Applegreen fuelgood: https://www.applegreenstores.com/fuelgood/
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Re: Fuel types & naming

Post by cw1998
Sounds great!

I'm all for visibility at a glance while driving. I think the word "Plus" rather than the symbol '+' would be easier to spot. But '+' is good for tidiness.
What do you think?
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Post by davidg666
YanisKyr wrote:The fuel prices issue has been recently resolved, so restless me pulls the next step out of the drawer :mrgreen:

Currently we have 2 fuels available for the prices feature, named Petrol and Diesel.

My first suggestion is to rename Petrol --> Unleaded which is the correct term, and the one used by all fuel providers in Ireland.

My second suggestion is about "Premium" Fuel versions (for lack of a better term). Some of the fuel providers have started making them available in Ireland since earlier this year (links below). I suggest adding the below. I personally vouch for the "+" version as it's shorter and will keep the price page neat.
1. Unleaded Premium / Unleaded Plus / Unleaded+
2. Diesel Premium / Diesel Plus / Diesel+

So the end result I envision is Unleaded, Unleaded+, Diesel, Diesel+. What are your thoughts? :geek:

Circle K Miles Plus: https://www.circlek.ie/miles/milesplus/
Applegreen fuelgood: https://www.applegreenstores.com/fuelgood/
First, what proportion of petrol stations currently offer some kind of premium/fancy/enhanced kind of fuel?

Second, I think we can keep petrol called "petrol", since I can't imagine many people even remember when leaded petrol was available :) (although if "unleaded" is what appears on the signs, that's probably better)

Third, will we drop LPG?

Fourth: there seems to be no common term for the fancy versions of petrol and diesel that'd be recognisable across all brands. This might take some thinking...

Fifth: changing the fuel price format (from an x.xx euro amount to an xxx.x cent amount) broke fuel prices for the best part of a year. I wonder if there's any risk that adding new types could cause other trouble...

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Re: Fuel types & naming

Post by davidg666
world_qf2vjzil wrote:Is there any indication as to how countries like France, whose stations seem to have huge numbers of fuel prices listed on their roadside signs (different per fuel provider), manage the issue or myriad fuel types?
I'm not familiar with France, but I am familiar with Germany. There, there seems to be at least five (if not more!) different prices listed at each petrol station. I find it very confusing, and usually chose what I want when I get to the pump (usually the cheapest one I can put into my rental car :) )

In any case, we can chose a maximum of five different fuel types for Waze to ask for/display.

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Re: Fuel types & naming

Post by Kevintiobraid
Yanis, is there any restriction on the number of characters you can use in the description? I only ask because I checked what descriptions the UK uses, and for premium petrol it is "Super UL"....which suggests that "Super Unleaded" was too long.
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Re: Fuel types & naming

Post by Kurumakun
I think "Premium" would be the most generic and brand-agnostic terminology to use.

In some countries in Europe, "Plus" or "Super Plus" may specifically refer to 98 RON or some higher octane petrol, whereas everything here is 95 RON.

If you look at station signage and how the pumps are labelled, they still seem to generally say "Unleaded" instead of "Petrol", despite it being over 19 years since leaded petrol was withdrawn from sale (I do remember ;) ).

LPG is still sold in Ireland, and there is an albeit small userbase of cars with LPG conversions. There's a list of sellers here: https://www.mylpg.eu/stations/ireland/list/
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Post by world_qf2vjzil
Is there any indication as to how countries like France, whose stations seem to have huge numbers of fuel prices listed on their roadside signs (different per fuel provider), manage the issue or myriad fuel types?
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Re: Fuel types & naming

Post by YanisKyr
1. Circle K have their Plus fuels available in 62 of the 420+ according to the website. That's roughly 15% but seems to be constantly increasing.

3. I forgot to mention LPG altogether didn't I? Last time I saw LPG available in a petrol station was last time I was in Germany. I think I've seen it once in Ireland all and all.

4. Circle K call it "milesPlus", Applegreen call it "fuelgood PowerPlus". Anyone remembers what's it called in other countries? In Greece they also have them listed as Plus even though for example Shell calls theirs V-Power.

5. We'll have to keep our fingers crossed for this one! :D
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Re: Fuel types & naming

Post by YanisKyr
Kurumakun wrote: I think "Premium" would be the most generic and brand-agnostic terminology to use.

In some countries in Europe, "Plus" or "Super Plus" may specifically refer to 98 RON or some higher octane petrol, whereas everything here is 95 RON.
Good point, now that you mention 98 Octane I think that in Greece most of the Plus ones are indeed 98.
Kurumakun wrote: LPG is still sold in Ireland, and there is an albeit small userbase of cars with LPG conversions. There's a list of sellers here: https://www.mylpg.eu/stations/ireland/list/
Interesting thanks for sharing; the list of LPG resellers is as long as the current list of Circle K stations with MileagePlus, so in that case I think we should keep it.


And the revised list based on the feedback so far:
1. Unleaded
2. Unleaded Premium
3. Diesel
4. Diesel Premium
5. LPG
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Re: Fuel types & naming

Post by YanisKyr
Kevintiobraid wrote:Yanis, is there any restriction on the number of characters you can use in the description? I only ask because I checked what descriptions the UK uses, and for premium petrol it is "Super UL"....which suggests that "Super Unleaded" was too long.
That's an interesting point - I might check with HQ to be safe.

The UL abbreviation is not to my liking. I'd prefer Unleaded+ if our previous idea is too long.
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