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Re: Solid White Lines

Postby davidg666 » Fri Dec 20, 2019 2:52 pm

Technic_Lee wrote:Is it ever acceptable to turn over a Solid White Line?
The question comes up as there are numerous examples in Dublin of mismatching information from lack of signage, or allowed but restricted turns, when turning right over a Solid White Line.
eg. https://goo.gl/maps/rXfUHBAo5r8vWKYj9

Is it permitted if there is no signage restricting the turn?

Likewise, can you turn right from a minor road to a major road over a Solid White Line?

Is it permitted to access a Driveway? And is it the same into a dropped-kerb cue-de-sac or other small street?

Finally, (I know... too many questions) Can you ever legally u-turn over a solid white?

This is mostly my opinion, combined with what I *think* the law/rules of the road say:

It's *normally* not acceptable to cross a solid white line, especially on a multi lane road or out of a side road. With side roads, if it's allowed, the solid white line *should* be broken and *usually* is. This is the case whether or not there's a sign.

For a driveway (or similar), I'd say it's technically not allowed, but there are probably many cases where it's kinda OK (even if not strictly legal), if it's on a quiet road. If it's a busy or wide road, then better to avoid if possible.

For the purposes of Waze mapping: I'd just about always map a turn as not allowed if there's no break in the solid white line, unless the break looks like it's absent because of a mistake in the road markings. I imagine it's possible for a business like a petrol station (which we would map) to be created but for the solid white line not to be changed. Again though, if it's a wide or busy road, then it's not allowed.

I know in practice many drivers just don't care, but that doesn't mean Waze should encourage them to not care :)

I think that in the case of an accident, insurance companies are going to look for any excuse not to pay out, and if a driver crossed a solid line and caused an accident, the insurer will try very hard to claim it was that driver's fault.

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Re: Solid White Lines

Postby davidg666 » Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:47 pm

Ianinessex wrote:I have just looked to see if there is an Irish Highway code, but can't find one- I kept being pointed to the NI Highway code which unsurprisingly seems very similar to the UK :D

See http://www.rsa.ie - specifically: https://www.rsa.ie/Documents/RotR%20BOO ... 202019.pdf ... not sure why there isn't a non-PDF version. Well, maybe there is, but a quick search didn't find it.

After a quick read, I don't know much more than I did earlier :)

Ianinessex wrote:Anyway, it may or may not help, but if this was in the UK, turning right off of the main road with a solid line is illegal, but turning right onto the main road with a solid line is OK. This applies to main roads, side roads and driveways.

Huh - I had no idea of this distinction! I always assumed that the UK rules were probably almost identical to the rules here.

One thing that always confused me about driving on the continent is the rule that traffic entering a road from your right (equivalent to coming from the left here or in the UK) has right of way by default. This is crazy! Luckily on main roads there's usually a diamond sign that gives you right of way, but you have to look for it...

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Re: Solid White Lines

Postby Ianinessex » Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:50 pm

Technic_Lee wrote:Is it ever acceptable to turn over a Solid White Line?
The question comes up as there are numerous examples in Dublin of mismatching information from lack of signage, or allowed but restricted turns, when turning right over a Solid White Line.
eg. https://goo.gl/maps/rXfUHBAo5r8vWKYj9

Is it permitted if there is no signage restricting the turn?

Likewise, can you turn right from a minor road to a major road over a Solid White Line?

Is it permitted to access a Driveway? And is it the same into a dropped-kerb cue-de-sac or other small street?

Finally, (I know... too many questions) Can you ever legally u-turn over a solid white?

Thanks all.
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I have just looked to see if there is an Irish Highway code, but can't find one- I kept being pointed to the NI Highway code which unsurprisingly seems very similar to the UK :D

Anyway, it may or may not help, but if this was in the UK, turning right off of the main road with a solid line is illegal, but turning right onto the main road with a solid line is OK. This applies to main roads, side roads and driveways.
You can never do a U turn across a solid line. :o
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Solid White Lines

Postby Technic_Lee » Fri Dec 20, 2019 2:22 pm

Is it ever acceptable to turn over a Solid White Line?
The question comes up as there are numerous examples in Dublin of mismatching information from lack of signage, or allowed but restricted turns, when turning right over a Solid White Line.
eg. https://goo.gl/maps/rXfUHBAo5r8vWKYj9

Is it permitted if there is no signage restricting the turn?

Likewise, can you turn right from a minor road to a major road over a Solid White Line?

Is it permitted to access a Driveway? And is it the same into a dropped-kerb cue-de-sac or other small street?

Finally, (I know... too many questions) Can you ever legally u-turn over a solid white?

Thanks all.
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Re: Solid White Lines

Postby Technic_Lee » Sat Dec 21, 2019 2:10 pm

Just another example that's popped up. This user OrlaFaughnan petitioned for the yellow box placed in 2016. Ideally residents could turn into the street, but with more mixed messages about whether a turn is legal we need to find a right or wrong.
https://www.waze.com/editor?env=row&lon=-6.27248&lat=53.35013&s=104324567&zoom=7&mapComments=231801366.-1976757033.825805
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Re: Solid White Lines

Postby Technic_Lee » Sat Dec 21, 2019 2:21 pm

Ianinessex wrote:I have just looked to see if there is an Irish Highway code, but can't find one- I kept being pointed to the NI Highway code which unsurprisingly seems very similar to the UK :D

Anyway, it may or may not help, but if this was in the UK, turning right off of the main road with a solid line is illegal, but turning right onto the main road with a solid line is OK. This applies to main roads, side roads and driveways.


Thank you EVERYONE for the responses. Hopefully we're getting closer here...

Ian, I too am from the UK. Only moved to Dublin a year ago so assumed a lot from the Highway Code. But of course there will be distinct differences, and with confusion of permissions and priorities come crashes... And yeah, I thumbed through the RSA Rules of the Road too hoping to find answers but am still confused.
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Re: Solid White Lines

Postby YanisKyr » Fri Dec 20, 2019 4:06 pm

That reminds me, I sent this particular example to our contact in Dublin City Council, but haven't heard anything back. Might write a follow up now and schedule it to go out after the holidays.
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