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Re: Landmark - Best Practices US

Postby AndyPoms » Sun Jun 09, 2013 10:48 am

vectorspace wrote:So is anyone going to tackle the Landmarks guidance on the Wiki, which is mostly blank? I know AndyPoms was going to get to it and that he has been otherwise occupied.

Things have slowed down a little bit and I have actually have started working on compiling the public comments - since the thread got so long, I'm actually doing this by hand on paper (the thread is about 35 printed pages long).
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Re: Landmark - Best Practices US

Postby AndyPoms » Mon May 27, 2013 12:44 pm

russblau wrote:First, the whole document is a series of instructions in the form "map this, don't map that", without any explanation. That would be fine if this were an employee manual, where people who don't follow arbitrary rules can be disciplined or fired, but the purpose of this document is to provide guidance to a group of volunteers who are unsupervised and pursuing their own personal motivations. If you just tell them "don't map X" without explaining why, they will ignore if it they feel like it. At a minimum, this document needs some explanation of what is the difference between a landmark and a POI, and why it matters for mapping.
There is another document being prepared that will explain the difference between Landmarks & POI and provide more detailed mapping instructions. Those are just the type by type guidelines. That is explained by this part of that topic
the Waze Champs are currently working with the Waze Staff to sort out some misconceptions about landmarks (snapping to roads, suppression of various reports, etc) and will also be creating a page that better addresses the Theory of Operation behind Landmarks shortly.


russblau wrote:Second, given what I understand to be the purpose of landmarks, many of these guidelines make no sense. Why is the "historical importance" of a cemetery of any value in deciding whether it is useful to drivers seeking to orient themselves on the road network? Why are parks or schools, which may be located far off a road, more useful for navigation than a store or office building? A McDonald's at a major intersection may be a more useful landmark than a church that is at the end of a long dead-end street and not visible from any other road. Again, what's the reason for these distinctions?
Well, there is a long standing guideline that we "do not map individual businesses", so that takes care of McDonalds, etc. The thing you need to remember is that Waze isn't going to say "Drive to McDonalds and take a left", it will tell you to "turn left on Main St", it does not matter if McDonalds happens to be at that intersection.

As for the Church, it typically would not get mapped as most churches are not considered "Major" - think more along the lines of the Vatican, Kaaba, & Western Wall.

russblau wrote:...the purpose of this document is to provide guidance to a group of volunteers who are unsupervised and pursuing their own personal motivations.
The Waze Champs, Country Manager & Area Managers actually do supervise the editors, make sure people are following the guidelines, and communicate with the editors. You should also be aware that editors that do not follow the guidelines and refuse to communicate with the Champs can and have had their editing privileges limited and/or revoked.
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Re: Landmark - Best Practices US

Postby AndyPoms » Mon May 27, 2013 10:46 am

dctdye wrote:Do we have a guideline on Cemeteries? I've been seeing a lot here lately.

Most of those came from the basemap import.

If you look at the proposed guidelines over here (viewtopic.php?f=129&t=38934) they say
5.8 Cemetery - Typically not mapped and handled by POI Search. HOWEVER, those cemeteries with historical significance or a significant tourist draw can be mapped using this type. Internal roads, if needed, are mapped using the Parking Lot Road Type whether or not the landmark is used. Please see local Wiki Pages / local Area Managers for information on which, if any, cemeteries are mapped for this category in your area.
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Re: Landmark - Best Practices US

Postby AndyPoms » Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:57 pm

skbun wrote:Sooo.... '[USA] Landmark Guidelines - Request for Comments' is now a locked thread with no further action mentioned, and I see no further discussion of this anywhere else in the US forums. Is the CT landmark standard now the national standard, or...?

The comments in the locked thread are still being reviewed... Final decisions will be made soon...

I apologize for the delay, but the real world (and my real job) has kinda stacked up on me...
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Re: Landmark - Best Practices US

Postby AndyPoms » Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:39 am

There is CURRENTLY no connection between Gas Station Landmarks and the gas Price system.

The locations (& non-user submitted prices) are provided by a third party - there is currently no way to add/edit/delete gas stations in the US. Waze has told us to landmark gas stations as they plan on bringing the US Gas Price system in line with the ROTW system at some point.
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Re: Landmark - Best Practices US

Postby AndyPoms » Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:05 pm

General rule in the US - don't create landmarks for individual businesses.
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Re: Landmark - Best Practices US

Postby AndyPoms » Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:09 pm

AlanOfTheBerg wrote:
skbun wrote:Actually from what I understand, there is, because in the beta version of the WME, editors CAN 'add information about gas stations beyond the fact that it exists', and at some point this will be made production as well.

Best practice at this point: if it's a gas station, create a landmark for it with its brand name, and more magic will happen later.

Not in the US, though.



What I quoted above was from the US guidelines in the post I linked to... It seems that the landmark will allow Waze to search for the Name of the station & navigate to it, but not enable gas prices. The gas prices come from a different database...

I've been adding gas station landmarks in the US because of the gas price function that is on the way & the simple fact they suppress traffic jams & problem reports of people looping through the station...
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Re: Landmark - Best Practices US

Postby AndyPoms » Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:57 pm

CBenson wrote:My understanding is that when routing to a gas station from the gas station category list in the US the current landmark layer is not used. In other words the imported gas station data is currently separate from the landmark layer. It also my understanding that the gas station data will be made available in WME for ongoing maintenance by the editors, but that this has not happened yet. Until we see how this is done, it seems to me that it is premature to develop best practices guidelines.


See: http://www.waze.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=23354
Adding a new landmark of Gas station type will NOT add the station to the list. It will add it to the map, and if you enter a name, you will be able to search and navigate to it - just like any other landmark - but won't be able to update prices.
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Re: Landmark - Best Practices US

Postby alarlo » Sun May 26, 2013 3:20 pm

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Re: Landmark - Best Practices US

Postby alarlo » Sun May 26, 2013 2:10 pm

If I understand right, other than the those actual parking lots (The that's a public or paid) all other can be deleted?
Like the one next to malls, businesses or schools etc.

Is it OK delete them?

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