Wiki page suggestion: Landmarks

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Re: Wiki page suggestion: Landmarks

Postby Daknife » Fri Sep 14, 2012 7:37 am

I'd say National Forest should NOT be landmarked, A National Park or Monument yes but not a forest. Besides how are they accounting for private land mixed in with the National Forest? Well based on your complaint about towns inside the "landmark" not at all, but that is an issue. I vote to delete such a landmark.
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Re: Wiki page suggestion: Landmarks

Postby razor2k » Sun Sep 16, 2012 5:56 am

daknife wrote: Besides how are they accounting for private land mixed in with the National Forest?


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Re: Wiki page suggestion: Landmarks

Postby CrackedLCD » Sat Sep 22, 2012 5:57 am

WeeeZer14 wrote:I'm glad to see that the UK is labeling junctions. I've been doing that for my AM area and I've gotten comments from other local Wazers that they like the result on the map. It is of course basically the last thing I do after getting geometry, naming, turns, road type, etc etc taken care of.

I, though, have NOT been snapping the landmark to the roads but have been making the landmark slightly larger than the actual interchange.

Simple example

Complex example

Dual exits (could also do via one landmark with a name such as "I-40 Exit 368 / I-75 Exit 84")

I just always found roads and landmarks snapped to each other to be annoying for some reason.


I like the way that looks but was specifically told not to landmark junctions by another higher-tiered user.
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Re: Wiki page suggestion: Landmarks

Postby wine4sure » Sat Sep 22, 2012 6:46 am

scruffy151 wrote:
WeeeZer14 wrote:I just always found roads and landmarks snapped to each other to be annoying for some reason.


You are not the only one that finds that annoying. It makes it harder to edit the geometry of either one when they are on top of each other.


Indeed I found a UR for a UK motorway junction caused by (apparently) one of the roads being snapped to the landmark rather than the roundabout, but of course because they're aligned it wasn't easy to see, hence why someone made the error in the first place.
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Re: Wiki page suggestion: Landmarks

Postby wine4sure » Sat Sep 22, 2012 6:51 am

For what it's worth, this is why I like even relatively small landmarks to appear on the map.

As we all know, Waze often navigates to the wrong place (to what it thinks is the nearest street). In some instances I've had to get other resources (laptop, printed streetmap) to actually find out where my destination is, and then work out how to navigate what can be a maze of one-way and residential streets to get to the destination. If I could see where it is on the Waze map, then even with Waze's best attempts to mislead me I could still drive straight there.

There are many other reasons too, eg. simply so I know what's around in an unfamiliar area, for spur-of-the moment decisions to call in at a pub, etc.
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Re: Wiki page suggestion: Landmarks

Postby AndyPoms » Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:38 am

I Created a wiki page with the list of Landmark Types (US) & point users to this discussion so people can weigh-in on which ones they think should be included... In the code tag below is the list of types so you can copy & paste it so you don't have to retype it... I will post my comments in a separate post below...

Code: Select all
[list][u][b]1 Transportation[/b][/u]
[list][b]1.1 Gas Station[/b]
[b]1.2 Toll booth[/b]
[b]1.3 Terminal[/b]
[b]1.4 Airport[/b]
[b]1.5 Train station[/b]
[b]1.6 Bus Station / Bus Terminal[/b]
[b]1.7 Sea Port[/b]
[b]1.8 Parking Lot[/b]
[b]1.9 Junction/Interchange[/b]
[b]1.10 Bridge[/b]
[b]1.11 Tunnel[/b]
[b]1.12 Subway station[/b]
[b]1.13 Ferry lane[/b]
[b]1.14 Car Rental[/b]
[b]1.15 Garage[/b][/list]
[u][b]2 Leisure[/b][/u]
[list][b]2.1 Park[/b]
[b]2.2 Museum / Visitor Center / Monument[/b]
[b]2.3 Mall/Shopping Center[/b]
[b]2.4 Convenience Store / Kiosk[/b]
[b]2.5 Restaurant / Bar / Coffee Shop[/b]
[b]2.6 Stadium / Sports Facility[/b]
[b]2.7 Hotel / Motel / Guest Room[/b]
[b]2.8 Club/Concert Hall[/b]
[b]2.9 Beach[/b]
[b]2.10 Camp site / RV Park[/b]
[b]2.11 Casino[/b]
[b]2.12 Marina[/b]
[b]2.13 Promenade / Boardwalk[/b]
[b]2.14 Store/stall[/b][/list]
[u][b]3 Nature[/b][/u]
[list][b]3.1 Island[/b]
[b]3.2 Sea/Lake/Levee[/b]
[b]3.3 River/Stream[/b]
[b]3.4 Forest/Grove[/b]
[b]3.5 Farmland[/b]
[b]3.6 Gravel[/b]
[b]3.7 Danger Zone[/b][/list]
[u][b]4 Public[/b][/u]
[list][b]4.1 Religious Site[/b]
[b]4.2 Bank[/b]
[b]4.3 Office Building[/b]
[b]4.4 Industry[/b]
[b]4.5 Public Building[/b]
[b]4.6 Tourist Site / Attraction[/b]
[b]4.7 ATM[/b]
[b]4.8 Pharmacy[/b]
[b]4.9 Supermarket/Market[/b][/list]
[u][b]5 Public Service[/b][/u]
[list][b]5.1 Hospital/Clinic[/b]
[b]5.2 Correction Facility / Prison[/b]
[b]5.3 Military Site[/b]
[b]5.4 Government / Municipal Building[/b]
[b]5.5 Police Station[/b]
[b]5.6 University / College / Academy[/b]
[b]5.7 School / Kindergarten / Junior High / High School[/b]
[b]5.8 Cemetery[/b]
[b]5.9 Fire Department/Emergency Service[/b]
[b]5.10 Post Office[/b][/list]
[u][b]6 Other[/b][/u]
[list][b]6.1 Other[/b][/list][/list]
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Re: Wiki page suggestion: Landmarks

Postby CBenson » Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:53 am

My opinion is the landmarks list is slightly modified list of the TIGER objects that were available during the basemap import. I don't think there has been much significant thought about how appropriate this list is for the purposes of waze.
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Re: Wiki page suggestion: Landmarks

Postby CrackedLCD » Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:01 am

AndyPoms wrote:I Created a wiki page with the list of Landmark Types (US) & point users to this discussion so people can weigh-in on which ones they think should be included... In the code tag below is the list of types so you can copy & paste it so you don't have to retype it... I will post my comments in a separate post below...


Well, that was weird. The forum ate my last post.

I'm not so concerned with the list of landmarks as they currently exist as I am simple things like, do parking lots only include parking lots, or the entire shopping centre? It's a mix of both right now in my area. And do shopping center/mall landmarks only trace the buildings, or the entire property? That's a mix of both here, too. And if someone draws a parking lot landmark, is it now pointless to create parking lot-designated streets under it, and vice-versa?
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Re: Wiki page suggestion: Landmarks

Postby AndyPoms » Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:03 am

My thoughts on which Landmark Types to map & which ones not to map... Those left blank, I don't have an opinion on - it could go either way...

    1 Transportation
      1.1 Gas Station - To be addressed separately due to the Gas Price function
      1.2 Toll booth - Not Mapped
      1.3 Terminal
      1.4 Airport - Mapped
      1.5 Train station
      1.6 Bus Station / Bus Terminal
      1.7 Sea Port
      1.8 Parking Lot - Commuter Lots & Park and Ride Lots should be marked (and labeled as "Commuter Lot" or "Park & Ride" only - no specific names as it would get too long), those at businesses - not mapped
      1.9 Junction/Interchange - I don't think it will show properly at highway speeds..
      1.10 Bridge - Bridges can have names other than the name of the road, so maybe, leaning towards yes for major ones - certainly not every bridge. (i.e. George Washington Bridge in NYC - yes, Golden Gate Bridge in CA - yes, the bridge that takes Main St over the Railroad Tracks - no)
      1.11 Tunnel - Tunnels can have names other than the name of the road, so maybe, leaning towards yes for major ones - certainly not every tunnel.
      1.12 Subway station
      1.13 Ferry lane - We really need a Ferry Road Type to do this properly, but this can work for now
      1.14 Car Rental - Not Mapped
      1.15 Garage - What kind of Garage? Parking Garage? If so, then Parking Lot would cover it. Repair Garage? Then it's a business, so no...
    2 Leisure
      2.1 Park - Yes, as long as it's not too big where it interferes with other landmarks/roads. I think State/National Parks should be included as well with the same size rules.
      2.2 Museum / Visitor Center / Monument - Yes, as long as it's not too big where it interferes with other landmarks/roads
      2.3 Mall/Shopping Center
      2.4 Convenience Store / Kiosk - Not Mapped
      2.5 Restaurant / Bar / Coffee Shop - Not Mapped
      2.6 Stadium / Sports Facility - Yes, as long as it's not too big where it interferes with other landmarks/roads
      2.7 Hotel / Motel / Guest Room - Not Mapped
      2.8 Club/Concert Hall
      2.9 Beach
      2.10 Camp site / RV Park
      2.11 Casino
      2.12 Marina
      2.13 Promenade / Boardwalk
      2.14 Store/stall - Not Mapped
    3 Nature
      3.1 Island
      3.2 Sea/Lake/Levee - We already have an inaccessible water layer in WME, so I see this option as redundant...
      3.3 River/Stream - We already have an inaccessible water layer in WME, so I see this option as redundant...
      3.4 Forest/Grove - Not Mapped (see Park for exceptions)
      3.5 Farmland - Not Mapped
      3.6 Gravel - Not Mapped
      3.7 Danger Zone
    4 Public
      4.1 Religious Site - Houses of Worship, not mapped, Larger Religious Sites where people make specific trips to go to (i.e. Vatican, Kaaba, Western Wall, etc) should be mapped
      4.2 Bank - Not Mapped
      4.3 Office Building - Not Mapped
      4.4 Industry - Not Mapped
      4.5 Public Building - I would use this for Court Houses as that is not an option below under "Public Service" (but they should have it's own sub-category there)
      4.6 Tourist Site / Attraction
      4.7 ATM - Not Mapped
      4.8 Pharmacy - Not Mapped
      4.9 Supermarket/Market - Not Mapped
    5 Public Service
      5.1 Hospital/Clinic - Mapped
      5.2 Correction Facility / Prison - Mapped so people know not to stop in the area or pick up hitchhikers (escapees)...
      5.3 Military Site - The large ones seem to be mapped with their own City, so this could be redundant, or could be used for smaller installations...
      5.4 Government / Municipal Building - Map the ones that are open to the public (i.e. City Hall, City Offices, etc) Don't map storage/work yards (i.e. DPW)
      5.5 Police Station - Mapped
      5.6 University / College / Academy
      5.7 School / Kindergarten / Junior High / High School
      5.8 Cemetery - A lot of these seemed to have come from the Basemap.
      5.9 Fire Department/Emergency Service - Mapped
      5.10 Post Office
    6 Other
      6.1 Other
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Re: Wiki page suggestion: Landmarks

Postby AndyPoms » Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:07 am

CBenson wrote:My opinion is the landmarks list is slightly modified list of the TIGER objects that were available during the basemap import. I don't think there has been much significant thought about how appropriate this list is for the purposes of waze.
This would be the place to express your thoughts on which ones are appropriate for Waze... Which ones we can ask Waze to remove/add to the list? How do we map them (see quote below)?

CrackedLCD wrote:I'm not so concerned with the list of landmarks as they currently exist as I am simple things like, do parking lots only include parking lots, or the entire shopping centre? It's a mix of both right now in my area. And do shopping center/mall landmarks only trace the buildings, or the entire property? That's a mix of both here, too. And if someone draws a parking lot landmark, is it now pointless to create parking lot-designated streets under it, and vice-versa?
What are your thoughts on which parking lots to map & how to map them? We need to have a discussion to figure this stuff out...

I'm just trying to spur the conversation towards something productive... Eventually we can take that Wiki Page and put the recommendations into it with detailed descriptions on how to map specific landmarks, it's just a jumping off point...
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