State Hwy 1 South Island using city field "South Island"

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Re: State Hwy 1 South Island using city field "South Island"

Postby ispyisail » Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:22 pm

I just had a quick look at the UK and the section I looked at (secondary highway) didn't have a city name (no name)?
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Re: State Hwy 1 South Island using city field "South Island"

Postby pcp192 » Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:18 pm

ispyisail wrote:
However the real question that needs to be asked is, is Waze a replacement for a navigation system like Google maps in that you can navigate from Auckland to somewhere you dont know. Or is it a user based traffic assessment app that you use in your local area to get around current problem spots?


Both.

But it doesn't do the first very well. Having said that its getting better.


I Agree. Finding the fastest way between two known points is great for day to day commuting and it's essential that a good navigation app be able to search and find addresses (or at least streets), and provide the fastest route to get there.

would you suggest that drivers should use an alternative navigation app if they need to 'find' an address or street rather than Waze?

Why limit the capabilities of Waze when it can be so much more than just a tool for daily commuting?
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Re: State Hwy 1 South Island using city field "South Island"

Postby ispyisail » Wed Nov 21, 2012 7:19 am

So what are we going to do?

We all agree that we need to set some standards?

http://world.waze.com/wiki/index.php/Ho ... name_roads

I don't think any apply to NZ?
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Re: State Hwy 1 South Island using city field "South Island"

Postby nzhook » Wed Nov 21, 2012 8:06 am

pcp192 wrote:I Agree. Finding the fastest way between two known points is great for day to day commuting and it's essential that a good navigation app be able to search and find addresses (or at least streets), and provide the fastest route to get there.

Correct, and thats where Waze shines. It does find the fastest at that time, unlike navigation apps which take you from place A to place B using the proven shortest/fastest route 2 years ago when they were mapped.

pcp192 wrote:would you suggest that drivers should use an alternative navigation app if they need to 'find' an address or street rather than Waze?


No, if the place your looking for is in the area you are then, it will work as it needs to (search for the street name, it pops up the closer results and away she goes). Its when you start trying to navigate 200 km+ that it starts getting sketchy, as the search for that type of distance is crap.

pcp192 wrote:Why limit the capabilities of Waze when it can be so much more than just a tool for daily commuting?


Because its limited by design, you would currently be trying to fit a large round peg into a small square hole and that wont work.

Personally I would love it if people could use it for both, and when we put country, island, state/region, city/town, suburb and maybe even postcode into separate fields, and Waze can search on all/any of them then i would gladly call it a navigation app but until then having a city defined on rural roads is probably going to cause more complications down the road.

However this conversation seems to be focused on having a City against the primary field, ive already mentioned a number of times of using the alternative names, which would mean having No City against the primary, and then an alternative name with the city (or suburb for when City was used in a suburb)? IN this case:
- Client will find it, and will be able to navigate to it.
- Client will also display city names and built up areas correctly.
- Zoomed out levels also wont look over complicated.
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Re: State Hwy 1 South Island using city field "South Island"

Postby pcp192 » Wed Nov 21, 2012 10:35 pm

nzhook wrote:However this conversation seems to be focused on having a City against the primary field, ive already mentioned a number of times of using the alternative names, which would mean having No City against the primary, and then an alternative name with the city (or suburb for when City was used in a suburb)? IN this case:
- Client will find it, and will be able to navigate to it.
- Client will also display city names and built up areas correctly.
- Zoomed out levels also wont look over complicated.


So in major cities we would put the suburb in the primary city field and the city name in the secondary city field. This as you say would ensure a search for either will find the street.

Driving around Auckland at the moment the map looks quite good with the Suburb names appearing in more or less the correct places - except where people have labelled streets incorrectly. If the correct suburb name is put in the primary city field it will work.

If I understand you correctly, your suggestion in rural areas is to leave the city field blank and put the correct name in the secondary field to aid searching - is that correct?
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Re: State Hwy 1 South Island using city field "South Island"

Postby ispyisail » Wed Nov 21, 2012 10:58 pm

Like this?

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That would look real nice
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Re: State Hwy 1 South Island using city field "South Island"

Postby ispyisail » Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:00 pm

Thats a big job but think how many easy points you could gain
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Re: State Hwy 1 South Island using city field "South Island"

Postby pcp192 » Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:09 pm

I was thinking the other way round - Suburb in the primary and City in the secondary.
Especially in the bigger cities that would look great with the suburbs showing on the map.

It's great being able to add secondary names so easily!
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Re: State Hwy 1 South Island using city field "South Island"

Postby nzhook » Thu Nov 22, 2012 1:04 am

Yes to the rural, No City for the primary entry and the city in the alt.

As for the City/Suburb side, the client only shows the primary. So the rule would eb something like:
Primary Street or higher = City Primary, with Suburb alt
Normal street or lower = Suburb Primary, with City alt

That should then allow for the zoomed out view to show the City, while when you get closer to see the suburb.


BTW, pcp Collage street in Palmerston North is a primary street. So what isp has done is what we are all thinking now (I hope)
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State Hwy 1 South Island using city field "South Island"

Postby JimmyKip » Sat Dec 01, 2012 7:38 pm

I quite like the ideas, but given the potential volume of change would it be best to "proof of concept" it first, and wait until a tiles update to see what it looks like in practice?

Maybe pick a rural area with lots of the classic kiwi crossroads "village" and set the alternate names, and then in a smaller city do the motorway/primary=city, others=suburb?
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