Map Editor major ver (Nov 5, 2012) Official Feedback

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Re: Map Editor major ver (Nov 5, 2012) Official Feedback

Postby shawndoc » Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:16 pm

I'm getting random pink tiles.
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Re: Map Editor major ver (Nov 5, 2012) Official Feedback

Postby shawndoc » Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:23 am

The editor opens up a large number of sessions. I had a switch that would choke on Waze editing. If you have an older router or a really cheap one, there' s a good chance its running out of sessions. Will often take several minutes of not doing anything for them to clear, then it will work again for a short time.

A good way to test if it is a session issue, is do you have problems with other web traffic? If the sessions are maxed out, your web browser will have problems opening new web pages at the same time.
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Map Editor major ver (Nov 5, 2012) Official Feedback

Postby shirlig » Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:29 pm

Hi guys,

We have just released a new major WME version. This version has been developed and tested for a long time and we'd like to thank our amazing beta testers for all their help and input.

What's new?

1) Improved UI including full screen map display
2) Play mode for new editors (before logging in)
2) Alternate street names
3) New tab for house numbers (in the editing panel)
4) Cones and old ranks are now synced and displayed everywhere as follows:

old rank 0 = 1 cone
old rank1 = 2 cones (currently not in use)
old rank 2 = 3 cones
old rank 3 = 4 cones
old rank 4 = 5 cones
old rank 5 = 6 cones (currently not in use)
old rank 6 = STAFF

5) New "area managers" layer
6) Ability to drag layers
7) Segments directions marked with A and B
8) New keyboard shortcuts available
for examples:
- highlight empty streets SHIFT+D
- Draw new gas station or parking lot P for parking G for gas station
See all keyboard shortcuts in the list ("Shift + ?")
9) Many bug fixes

I hope you guys will all enjoy these changes!
Please feel free to share your feedback...

Thanks,

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Re: WME major version released to production

Postby sjthespian » Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:54 pm

I just ran into a bug on Chrome 19.0.1084.46 (Linux).

If I select an problem report that has a route and GPS trace then zoom the map, the directional arrows go away on the route and trace. The only way I have found to get them back is to close and reopen the report.
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Re: WME major version released to production

Postby sjthespian » Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:29 pm

AlanOfTheBerg wrote:
sjthespian wrote:If I select an problem report that has a route and GPS trace then zoom the map, the directional arrows go away on the route and trace. The only way I have found to get them back is to close and reopen the report.

If you zoom out to a certain level, they have always disappeared (zoom level 4). But they do reappear for me when zooming back in (Chrome/Win7). If you can confirm they positively do not appear when zoomed in to level 5 or higher?


Odd, today they reappear when I zoom back in, yesterday they wouldn't reappear until I closed and reopened the report.
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Re: Map Editor major ver (Nov 5, 2012) Official Feedback

Postby skbun » Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:35 am

AlanOfTheBerg wrote:Also, the primary name is used for shield creation, but alternate names can hold a local name if the route name is the most popular local name.


It would really be nice if the behaviour was that primary AND alt names should be scanned for something that generates a shield; and that basically, 'most popular local name' IS the primary -- because that's invariably what's on street signs for turn by turn directions.

In almost all cases in my local area, you will see (for example) 'Main St' on all intersection signage on state routes - thus that's what really needs to be said by TTS navigation directions, but you will also see the occasional 'SR-500' shield. In a case like that, you really need to have 'Main St' as the primary, and the SR as an alt.

So far as that goes, in pretty much any city, a state or US highway will tend to have a 'City name' inside a city, and will only be referred to as 'US-41' as primary in rural areas.

See https://www.waze.com/editor/?zoom=7&lat ... s=63218443 for an example of what I'm talking about.
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City names in alt names not checked at save

Postby skbun » Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:20 pm

http://www.waze.com/wiki/index.php/Map_Editor_Interface_and_Controls#Segment_Edit_Detail:

An alternate name street must also have the same city as the primary segment. (My emphasis added)

This may be a best practice, but it's not enforced by WME. Here's some bullet points of what's possible:

(When you click a segment, it has either a City (CityID) or (None), and a state as its primary, as we know.)
* If the primary segment has 'None' for a city, clicking 'alternate name' will put in a City field with 'None' checked, but you can uncheck it. This means alt can have a city even if the primary does not.
* If the box is unchecked, the suggested added city is the same as the primary segment, but the field is editable. You can change it to anything you like, including:
- A city name that doesn't exist in your state, which creates a new CityID (includes misspells)
- A city way way far away from where you are - a condition that's caught by checking the primary segment, but alt segments aren't checked (i.e, I could add an alt segment in Grand Coulee, WA to one in Burien, WA, and confirmed it has the same CityID with Timbones's highlight script)

Implicitly, the state and country of the segment you are working on is added to the alt text when you add that alt text. I suspect that if you live in an area where an irrational state or country is present (smudging), and add an alt text with that bad default in place, you'll add a city/state/country matching that bad data in the alt. You then MAY get an error when you try to save (primary segment is checked of course), but I'd bet money the alt text still has the bad CityID even if you fix the primary and save.

Research shows me that Timbones's highlighting script knows to 'get cities' with bad alt text, because it's a general 'show me all the cities in this area' query. However, it does not check alt properties, so if an alt text is smudging a city/state/country, that tool can't find it.

On that subject, there already exist segments with these properties; have a look at https://www.waze.com/editor/?zoom=6&lat=47.47196&lon=-122.31685&layers=BTTFFTTTFTTFTFFTFTTTTFT&segments=54594585, segment 54594585.

Primary: Des Moines Way S, Burien, Washington, United States
Alt: Des Moines Memorial Dr, SeaTac
Alt2: Des Moines Way S, SeaTac

Since this was created in 2009 and last edited in February 2012, I must presume that this kind of 'bad city/state/country alt bounds checking' existed in Cartouche as it does here. We may need to be checking alt segment city, state, and country names for smudging, and I'm not even sure how we can do that at this point. Can Waze Colour Highlighting and WME Extended Tools be modified to check for these things?

Well, the thrust of this whole huge paragraph is, the javascript making alt street names in the first place has to lock down city to match exactly what the primary segment has. If the CityIDs don't match at save time, error out. We've got countless mismatches already, but now that we're down to one editor, at least we can stop more of them from showing up! Once that bounds checking is in place, It may also be worth Waze scrubbing all segments to make any alt CityID match the primary in that segment. It would save us countless hours of work.
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Re: City names in alt names not checked at save

Postby skbun » Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:53 pm

AlanOfTheBerg wrote:
skbun wrote:An alternate name street must also have the same city as the primary segment. (My emphasis added)

This may be a best practice, but it's not enforced by WME. Here's some bullet points of what's possible.

Yes, there are lots of things which we have as guidelines/best practices which the editor does not enforce. This is one of them.


Agh, I realize how this might have sounded now, as you were the one who wrote that portion of the Wiki! Trust me when I say, sorry! :oops:

I agree wholeheartedly with you that primary and alt must match is the way to go. I'm pointing out the details to Waze so it could be fixed, because this mismatch problem can be really hard to find with our existing tools, and it -does- cause real problems we have to edit out.

I'm pretty sure, to Waze, It wouldn't really be that hard, either. At 'Apply' time on the Edit Segment dialog, force the CityID of any alt name to be the same as the primary, regardless of what the user did in the meantime. Simple as that?
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Re: Map Editor major ver (Nov 5, 2012) Official Feedback

Postby skbun » Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:12 am

bgodette wrote:
skbun wrote:http://www.waze.com/wiki/index.php/Map_Editor_Interface_and_Controls#Segment_Edit_Detail:

An alternate name street must also have the same city as the primary segment. (My emphasis added)
So there's no Street anywhere in the world that belongs to two cities or a city with two official names. Somehow I doubt that.

The automatic default for an alternate street's city *should* be the same as the primary street ID, but there definitely should be the ability to change it.


Well, if that's what's decided, then any segment's alt streets should get the same error checking that primary streets do, before a save. Right now, I can change any alt street to any city in the state it's in, no matter how far away, and Waze won't bat an eye, and I'm pretty sure it doesn't check CityIDs against states, in the case of smudged cities, either. Whether 'One segment, one city' or 'One segment, multiple cities' is decided, IMHO, some error checking badly needs to be added on the WME internals side.
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Re: Map Editor major ver (Nov 5, 2012) Official Feedback

Postby skbun » Thu Nov 08, 2012 6:20 pm

AlanOfTheBerg wrote:
AndyPoms wrote:
wroadd wrote:As I see there was a change in the WME, new fields are available for gas stations(and ny othre landmarks) for country (state) and city
Can you select a country? There is nothing in that dropdown here in the US...

I show United States for landmarks where I was just editing.


Oh, geez almighty. Looks like I get to fudge with the highlighting script again and add landmarks to city highlighting. ;)
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