Suggestion: Roadworks UK sub-forum

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Re: Suggestion: Roadworks UK sub-forum

Postby floppyrod84 » Wed Nov 28, 2012 1:19 pm

While we're on the subject, Alie St in E London was dc by me. https://world.waze.com/editor/?lat=51.5 ... TTTTTTTTFT
Waze sent me there Sunday, serious building work, road looks like it'll be, and has been closed for quite some time. Just so Iain and woodvale you're aware :)
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Re: Suggestion: Roadworks UK sub-forum

Postby iainhouse » Wed Nov 28, 2012 1:14 pm

woodvale wrote:How do we put urls in a UR? I've tried it a number of times and messed it up each time, so had to close the UR and put a new one in without a link.


I just put the full http address in the text - expecting people to have to copy/paste it. When I looked at the map, the URL had been replaced by a hotlink on the word "here". I just tried it again and that's how it works. I don't know if it's possible to change the word "here" to something else. You might try experimenting with a BBCode link.
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Re: Suggestion: Roadworks UK sub-forum

Postby woodvale » Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:54 pm

I, too, have no experience of collaborative documents. I'm very wary of updating the wiki (A-roads progress page) "in case I break it".

For that reason, I'd prefer to have a forum.

How do we put urls in a UR? I've tried it a number of times and messed it up each time, so had to close the UR and put a new one in without a link.
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Re: Suggestion: Roadworks UK sub-forum

Postby iainhouse » Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:24 pm

dknight212 wrote:So the question is do we want to do this via the forum or a document (wiki or google doc)?

What are the views?


I would tend to go for a forum.

It's not quite as "editable" as a document, because it would depend on the original poster or a moderator to keep the OP updated with a summary of the current status. However in terms of history it's ideal simply because each post for any changes is visible there in a timeline.

I think a document might be too "freeform". By doing it in a forum, we are somewhat restricted in terms of what we can do, but I think those restrictions help more than hinder. With a document, any earlier information can be changed or deleted - with a forum, the posts stay there to show the history.

Forum also gets my vote simply because it's something we're all familiar with using. However, I'm not voting against using something like Google Docs. It's simply something I'm completely unfamiliar with. If you guys with more experience of collaborative documents think it's the way to go I would be willing to try.

Just to clarify my thoughts on my original suggestion, the main purpose of this is so that an editor who makes alterations to the map because of roadworks can record what he has done and why. The information is then available to other editors who want to know why a change has been made. If the original editor "goes under a bus" or misses recent changes, someone else can step in and make further alterations, but record them in the same place - but I would expect the original editor to be keeping on top of the situation.

I also want to say that I now think that placing a UR on the livemap with a link to the forum topic is essential. There have been many discussions about better ways to leave notes on the map, but this one is available and it works. Any editor looking at the map will see the UR and will have an instant link to the information available for the changes they are seeing.
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Re: Suggestion: Roadworks UK sub-forum

Postby floppyrod84 » Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:14 pm

I'd go with GDocs too, the collaborative features are a must, live updates, comments etc will be needed.

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Re: Suggestion: Roadworks UK sub-forum

Postby dknight212 » Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:59 am

So the question is do we want to do this via the forum or a document (wiki or google doc)?

What are the views?
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Re: Suggestion: Roadworks UK sub-forum

Postby dmcconachie » Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:54 am

Indeed, I met with the Chairman of Elgin last year with a view to incorporating their database in waze. It nearly happened but there were problems with the API which halted it in its tracks.
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Re: Suggestion: Roadworks UK sub-forum

Postby floppyrod84 » Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:23 am

I'm happy for someone to start a monitoring page or subforum for roadworks. Think its a good idea.
Shame that datex feed still hasn't been sorted by Waze!

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Re: Suggestion: Roadworks UK sub-forum

Postby iainhouse » Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:39 am

Thank you all for your input and my apologies for not coming back to this for a couple of (busy) days! Also, my apologies to both xteejx and dmcconachie who made posts I should have answered, but my phone declined to show them to me!

Roy - I've registered for FTW but just requested my AM area (SE London), so I assume any that I raise will go to David as feed manager. Darren - following on from what you said, is the UK covered by at least one Feed Manager everywhere? I now know I'm covered, but other areas might not be.

Darren - you suggested a spreadsheet or a wiki. I'm not sure a spreadsheet would be appropriate, as there will be a fair amount of "freeform" data that might not fit well into a spreadsheet format. As for a Wiki, the question would be "how many of us know how to edit a Wiki and how easy is it?".

Tim - you mentioned a 2-weeks minimum on closures. I am absolutely in agreement with that. Whilst we might soon be getting faster & more regular map updates, I think it would have to be well settled down before we consider editing the map for shorter closures.

What prompted this suggestion was South London, where there are several of us active - and I certainly see support from dknight212 and woodvale. So I would like to propose that we go ahead and create a "UK Roadworks Tracking" (or whatever you want to call it) sub-forum. Even if us Southerners are the only ones who use it at the start, we can at least see how it works out.

We would need a "sticky" post at the top with guidelines - I am happy to write this if you like and submit it for additions/corrections. If you would like me to take on any forum moderation duties (assuming that can be done) I would be happy to help.
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Re: Suggestion: Roadworks UK sub-forum

Postby dknight212 » Fri Nov 23, 2012 7:12 pm

We would need to be quite selective over which roadworks went into the map. But at least this would be transparent.

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