How to get 97,000 points in one day

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Re: How to get 97,000 points in one day

Postby enhket » Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:47 pm

4000 new kms a day?
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Re: How to get 97,000 points in one day

Postby enhket » Mon Dec 03, 2012 3:44 pm

that is how it is in real life, is not it? anyways, think of yourself about it. If you are editing a city, do you think that newcomers deserve to get the same points you get, knowing that the quality of your editing is better? knowing that if you are editing it, you will probably do it the right way at the first try and newcomers will probaby need a person like you to fix a lot of issues because they screwed up the map when they tried to edit it? True, they won't be happy about catching up, but you spent 2-3 years of your time here, aren't they (at least) supposed to spend the same amount of time in order to catch you up?
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Re: How to get 97,000 points in one day

Postby enhket » Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:50 pm

you can if you sum up candies points + editing. Editing from 8am-to 3am. You can get up to 17k only from candies if you do that. Thats extreme and i think you can get 150k (weekly) from such practices. All of this with ET, obviously. Also, you arent considering that there are people who got private scripts which will create a junction everytime that 2 segments cross (i think there was a youtube video about it) in order to speed up building places. that aside, the most of people focus on ET only, and i think that there are a few scripts that none knows and speed up the editing experience a lot. that is why i say that the problem is not ET or scripts, it is the ranking.

edit: you are right, i hope they do have a back up. picture the italian issue happening in the world :?
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Re: How to get 97,000 points in one day

Postby enhket » Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:37 pm

:shock: my intention was never to be seen that way fvwazing.

fvwazing wrote:Second: I do not KNOW if the quality of my editing is better. Given that I do not know the area where I am editing (apart from the mainstreets, maybe) local editors - even if they are newcomers - know details that no amount of research could bring to me.


True, but waze champs are supposed to be mentors (or close to it). If i had a problem with a map, i would ask a champ about it.

fvwazing wrote:Third: even if I do a lot of things better than a newcomer I screw up parts of the map, regularly. Even if I am 99% right most of the time - I make dozens of errors per day. Fixing my own errors, coming back after a few weeks and collect the URs is an important part of the work.

Fourth: As there are more and more newcomers it is a growing effort to correct their errors - and give feedback to those newcomers, mentor them, make them better. Only that way they will stop doing it wrong, they will make less errors, they will start to correct each other. What is more effective: you, alone, battling against 100 newcomers or you and a handfull of dedicated editors helping the ones that are not that far? As long as an editor does it right MOST of the time the quality of the map improves.


I am not sure if waze champs have the chance to check someone's history. But if you check my edits, you will see that i have finished a lot of cities, properly. Also, i made a thread for all of them and i have asked people to report errors so we can get the most accurate thing possible. I do regularly help people and guide them in the latin american subforums, you can check them out to make sure. I mean, i do believe in teamwork.

fvwazing wrote:Fifth: This is a game. A game is not a battle. In a game it is important that all participants are happy. I cannot shrug and think it is okay if the majority of editors are unhappy. Remember, we need a LOT of editors.
Sixth: I do not really care how long a Wazer is wazing. After *some* time, after participating in the forum, most of the rules are known to them and they are partners.


can you picture it when there are no maps to edit? what will newcomers do? delete the current ones? In my hs/college times, i used to play a lot of online games. There were games that i got the chance to try since the very beggining and there was a common thing, which was it turns into a ranking thing after a few years and none cares about the good things of it anymore. Hackers get to take a big place in the community and finally get you to quit because you cant stand it anymore.

fvwazing wrote:Most of all I find your opening remark ("that is how it is in real life, is not it?") hard to swallow. This may get personal, but if all your remarks reflect your stance in life it gives me the impression that you are a careerist, someone who measures the value of others (be it colleagues in your work or co-players in Waze) by the amount of wealth/points they collected. I myself try to see the opportunities, the chances, the potential in people.

To me, this shows that you are no champs-material, enhket.


i cant help but feel annoyed about this. First off, my employees got nothing to do with waze, and as extra info, they get treated properly. I do even treat you the same way how i do treat a newcomer. I cant careless about your waze champ status (even though i respect a lot to champs who guided me at the beggining of my waze adventure) and this is not up to you to decide if i am champ material or not. You can ask any country manager in Central/South America about how many roads i made in order to connect more than 4 countries (4000+ kms) and i got absolutly no point for doing so. I made roads in Argentina to connect the North and the South, and i got no points for it. Guess what? that will help people to route in Latin America from country to country when they couldnt do it before. I am not asking for someone to thank me, just did bring it up because of what you said. Ask support to check my points history, 3 weeks ago, i was lucky if i did break the 30k mark per week.

That said, and before i move on. I wanted to tell you that i find it super unfair to get judged the way you did. Moreover, seeing that you are champ, you are supposed to guide me if you think that i am wrong. Now, it is true, i did promote ET, but in a good way. Excuse me, but if it will take me 2 hours to click every segment just to change the name, when i could do the same on ET in 20-30 mins at the same quality, then yes, i am going to use ET. If it comes to promoting ET in order to make points with no quality, then i dont promote it.

Finally, my ideas about the ranking were never intended to abuse it. I think of how it is going to be in 2-3 years from now, and i see everything related to points. wwwnnnado is a search engine (advertising). So you can see how the ranking is becoming spammed. If it was up to me, there should be no ranking because it is not any good. Anyways, going to back to edit. Working on an island which i do regularly visit on holidays.
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Re: How to get 97,000 points in one day

Postby fvwazing » Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:26 am

Everyone over 100k points per week is subject in an inquiry, enhket. This guy is a professional "search engine optimizer" with time on his hands: http://wwwnnnado.com/, playing the Waze-scoreboard like he does play google's website rankings. I doubt he is still on any list next week. Wasn't this the game you expected as you advertised ET?
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How to get 97,000 points in one day

Postby fvwazing » Mon Dec 03, 2012 3:25 pm

DimanZ1 wrote:
enhket wrote:That would be cool in Waze, if you are a 600k map-edits editor, you should have an earning %, which is higher than someone who got 50k. Not sure how fair that is, but looks nice to me.

Great idea!


Let the rich get richer ever faster, right? Even being the multimillionaire I am (in Wazepoints, alas) I find that idea morally wrong. And it leaves the havenots no option but fraud if they ever want to catch up. Cheers!
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How to get 97,000 points in one day

Postby fvwazing » Mon Dec 03, 2012 5:21 pm

Guess what, it is even wrong when a champ does 100k+ per week. You are looking at some frauds here. Move on.
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Re: How to get 97,000 points in one day

Postby fvwazing » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:58 am

enhket wrote:that is how it is in real life, is not it? anyways, think of yourself about it. If you are editing a city, do you think that newcomers deserve to get the same points you get, knowing that the quality of your editing is better? knowing that if you are editing it, you will probably do it the right way at the first try and newcomers will probaby need a person like you to fix a lot of issues because they screwed up the map when they tried to edit it? True, they won't be happy about catching up, but you spent 2-3 years of your time here, aren't they (at least) supposed to spend the same amount of time in order to catch you up?


This is disturbing. It is disturbing in so many ways, I do not know where to start.

[takes a deep breath]

First off: in my opinion, everybody deserves equal chances, equal points.
Second: I do not KNOW if the quality of my editing is better. Given that I do not know the area where I am editing (apart from the mainstreets, maybe) local editors - even if they are newcomers - know details that no amount of research could bring to me.
Third: even if I do a lot of things better than a newcomer I screw up parts of the map, regularly. Even if I am 99% right most of the time - I make dozens of errors per day. Fixing my own errors, coming back after a few weeks and collect the URs is an important part of the work.
Fourth: As there are more and more newcomers it is a growing effort to correct their errors - and give feedback to those newcomers, mentor them, make them better. Only that way they will stop doing it wrong, they will make less errors, they will start to correct each other. What is more effective: you, alone, battling against 100 newcomers or you and a handfull of dedicated editors helping the ones that are not that far? As long as an editor does it right MOST of the time the quality of the map improves.
Fifth: This is a game. A game is not a battle. In a game it is important that all participants are happy. I cannot shrug and think it is okay if the majority of editors are unhappy. Remember, we need a LOT of editors.
Sixth: I do not really care how long a Wazer is wazing. After *some* time, after participating in the forum, most of the rules are known to them and they are partners.


Most of all I find your opening remark ("that is how it is in real life, is not it?") hard to swallow. This may get personal, but if all your remarks reflect your stance in life it gives me the impression that you are a careerist, someone who measures the value of others (be it colleagues in your work or co-players in Waze) by the amount of wealth/points they collected. I myself try to see the opportunities, the chances, the potential in people.

To me, this shows that you are no champs-material, enhket.
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How to get 97,000 points in one day

Postby fvwazing » Tue Dec 04, 2012 1:20 pm

xteejx wrote:Talk about a comeback, but very well put :-)


Thanks, xteejx. And I did not even put in my most important observation: an area of the map is NEVER finished until many people have edited it. You need an editor to clean up, another to watch over the routing, a freak who does nothing but roadnumbers, one who enters streetnames, definately a local to drive around and find errors and someone extremely patient to debug the lot. In the end someone must maintain the area and make changes as roadworks change the grid. And when the wiki changes, everybody has to come back and start over. It is all about the collective! No village can exist without a butchery, a bakery, a grocery. Some people can take two, maybe three roles, but never someone can do it all.

Maybe that should be reflected in the scoring? Editors can join together in groups - call them troops, no, call them "troupes" (to signify the artistry involved!) and get points as a collective, where the "troupe" wins that brings an area from wasteland to blossom in the shortest time (divided by surface)?
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How to get 97,000 points in one day

Postby fvwazing » Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:48 pm

xteejx wrote:I mean, most of us with high points already know we don't have lives outside Waze (or little), why *make* yourself look like OCD suffering map editing freak like us lot? LOL


In this "age of the geek" we are considered the avant-garde, it seems. Sexy even? Be prepared to find groupies on your doorstep next year! :lol:
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