my intention was never to be seen that way fvwazing.
fvwazing wrote:Second: I do not KNOW if the quality of my editing is better. Given that I do not know the area where I am editing (apart from the mainstreets, maybe) local editors - even if they are newcomers - know details that no amount of research could bring to me.
True, but waze champs are supposed to be mentors (or close to it). If i had a problem with a map, i would ask a champ about it.
fvwazing wrote:Third: even if I do a lot of things better than a newcomer I screw up parts of the map, regularly. Even if I am 99% right most of the time - I make dozens of errors per day. Fixing my own errors, coming back after a few weeks and collect the URs is an important part of the work.
Fourth: As there are more and more newcomers it is a growing effort to correct their errors - and give feedback to those newcomers, mentor them, make them better. Only that way they will stop doing it wrong, they will make less errors, they will start to correct each other. What is more effective: you, alone, battling against 100 newcomers or you and a handfull of dedicated editors helping the ones that are not that far? As long as an editor does it right MOST of the time the quality of the map improves.
I am not sure if waze champs have the chance to check someone's history. But if you check my edits, you will see that i have finished a lot of cities, properly. Also, i made a thread for all of them and i have asked people to report errors so we can get the most accurate thing possible. I do regularly help people and guide them in the latin american subforums, you can check them out to make sure. I mean, i do believe in teamwork.
fvwazing wrote:Fifth: This is a game. A game is not a battle. In a game it is important that all participants are happy. I cannot shrug and think it is okay if the majority of editors are unhappy. Remember, we need a LOT of editors.
Sixth: I do not really care how long a Wazer is wazing. After *some* time, after participating in the forum, most of the rules are known to them and they are partners.
can you picture it when there are no maps to edit? what will newcomers do? delete the current ones? In my hs/college times, i used to play a lot of online games. There were games that i got the chance to try since the very beggining and there was a common thing, which was it turns into a ranking thing after a few years and none cares about the good things of it anymore. Hackers get to take a big place in the community and finally get you to quit because you cant stand it anymore.
fvwazing wrote:Most of all I find your opening remark ("that is how it is in real life, is not it?") hard to swallow. This may get personal, but if all your remarks reflect your stance in life it gives me the impression that you are a careerist, someone who measures the value of others (be it colleagues in your work or co-players in Waze) by the amount of wealth/points they collected. I myself try to see the opportunities, the chances, the potential in people.
To me, this shows that you are no champs-material, enhket.
i cant help but feel annoyed about this. First off, my employees got nothing to do with waze, and as extra info, they get treated properly. I do even treat you the same way how i do treat a newcomer. I cant careless about your waze champ status (even though i respect a lot to champs who guided me at the beggining of my waze adventure) and this is not up to you to decide if i am champ material or not. You can ask any country manager in Central/South America about how many roads i made in order to connect more than 4 countries (4000+ kms) and i got absolutly no point for doing so. I made roads in Argentina to connect the North and the South, and i got no points for it. Guess what? that will help people to route in Latin America from country to country when they couldnt do it before. I am not asking for someone to thank me, just did bring it up because of what you said. Ask support to check my points history, 3 weeks ago, i was lucky if i did break the 30k mark per week.
That said, and before i move on. I wanted to tell you that i find it super unfair to get judged the way you did. Moreover, seeing that you are champ, you are supposed to guide me if you think that i am wrong. Now, it is true, i did promote ET, but in a good way. Excuse me, but if it will take me 2 hours to click every segment just to change the name, when i could do the same on ET in 20-30 mins at the same quality, then yes, i am going to use ET. If it comes to promoting ET in order to make points with no quality, then i dont promote it.
Finally, my ideas about the ranking were never intended to abuse it. I think of how it is going to be in 2-3 years from now, and i see everything related to points. wwwnnnado is a search engine (advertising). So you can see how the ranking is becoming spammed. If it was up to me, there should be no ranking because it is not any good. Anyways, going to back to edit. Working on an island which i do regularly visit on holidays.