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Re: Paving by Air

Postby BlazeTool » Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:31 am

Just was looking back through this for fun

I am prepared to argue legally that airborne data creation is not prohibited in the terms, conditions, and use agreements for the Service, and consequently, manipulation of such data afterwards through deletion, is also not a prohibited activity and not injurious to the Service.


Good luck to him with that given

Waze retains the right to block your access to the Service and discontinue your use of the Service, at any time and for any reason Waze deems appropriate, at its sole and absolute discretion.


His cheating doesn't have to be against the TOS given the TOS specifies that accounts may be terminated for any reason.
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Re: Paving by Air

Postby AndyPoms » Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:24 pm

AlanOfTheBerg wrote:
AndyPoms wrote:I was thinking about this and remembered that in the US, both the FCC & the FAA prohibit use of "cellular devices" during flight (http://www.fcc.gov/guides/wireless-devices-airplanes & http://faa.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/262), so even though it may not be a TOS violation, it is a violation of federal regulations. He & his lawyers can have fun with that one...

Assuming this was a commercial aircraft.

When the Mythbusters took this on with a private aircraft, they couldn't go airborne with the experiment due to these rules...
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Re: Paving by Air

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:16 pm

AndyPoms wrote:I was thinking about this and remembered that in the US, both the FCC & the FAA prohibit use of "cellular devices" during flight (http://www.fcc.gov/guides/wireless-devices-airplanes & http://faa.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/262), so even though it may not be a TOS violation, it is a violation of federal regulations. He & his lawyers can have fun with that one...

Assuming this was a commercial aircraft.
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Re: Paving by Air

Postby AndyPoms » Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:30 pm

I was thinking about this and remembered that in the US, both the FCC & the FAA prohibit use of "cellular devices" during flight (http://www.fcc.gov/guides/wireless-devices-airplanes & http://faa.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/262), so even though it may not be a TOS violation, it is a violation of federal regulations. He & his lawyers can have fun with that one...
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Re: Paving by Air

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:32 am

This user has already been dealt with. Rank is permanently set to zero.
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Re: Paving by Air

Postby TruckOttr » Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:53 am

AndyPoms wrote:
TruckOttr wrote:And for the rest of the story as a famous commentator once used to say.

Here's the reply I got from the air paver. I deleted the user's name...


All that needs to get forwarded on to Ori (username: Unholy)...


Forwarded. Thanks.
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Re: Paving by Air

Postby yippeekyaa » Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:47 am

Users like that should have all points reset to zero and not be allowed to accumulate points.
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Re: Paving by Air

Postby AndyPoms » Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:46 am

TruckOttr wrote:And for the rest of the story as a famous commentator once used to say.

Here's the reply I got from the air paver. I deleted the user's name...


All that needs to get forwarded on to Ori (username: Unholy)...
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Re: Paving by Air

Postby TruckOttr » Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:39 am

And for the rest of the story as a famous commentator once used to say.

Here's the reply I got from the air paver. I deleted the user's name.

One point that I do agree with him. There are more than a few people gaming the system for points only. No, I don't believe mapcat is one of them!

Steve

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Sent at: 11 Dec 2012 15:08
From: XXXXXX
To: TruckOttr

Hi TruckOttr,

Paving from an aircraft is not prohibited. I call your attention to Waze's Terms of Service, and the End User License Agreement.

In the Terms of Use:

"USING THE SERVICE

You may use the Service solely for private and personal purposes. You must not use the Service commercially. For example, you may not offer to third parties a service of your own that uses the Service; you may not resell the Service, offer it for rent or lease, offer it to the public via communication or integrate it within a service of your own, without the prior written consent of Waze. You must not copy, print, save or otherwise use the data from the Site or the Service's database. This clause does not limit the use of the database as intended by the Software and for the purposes of private and personal use of the Service. When using the Service or the Site you may not engage in scraping, data mining, harvesting, screen scraping, data aggregating, and indexing. You agree that you will not use any robot, spider, scraper or other automated means to access the Site or the Service’s database for any purpose without the express written permission of Waze. The Software may not be used in any way not expressly permitted by these Terms."

Nowhere in the Terms of Use does it say airborne use is not allowed. If you want to be legally precise, it doesn't say it can be used in an automobile, either.

Continuing on to the Waze End User License Agreement:

..."4. You hereby confirm that you own all exclusive rights at (sic) any data and content (the Content) that you may provide to the Service and may assign in license such rights. You keep all title and rights to the Content, but you grant Waze, Inc. (the Company) a worldwide, free, non-exclusive, irrevocable, sublicensable, transferable and perpetual license to use, copy, distribute, create derivative works of, publicly display, publicly perform and exploit in any other manner the Content. Subject to the aforementioned, the Company keeps the title and all rights to the Service's database which you may use for non-commercial and private purposes only."

I have license to create data for the Service, and I also have license to manipulate it afterwards; i.e., delete it. I have been deleting airborne data after creation, and the points are awarded. They created the social aspect of the Waze 'game' by assigning points; everyone out there is 'gaming' the system to increase their points. For instance, you tell me how Dave, aka 'mapcat', can accumulate 3.8 million points with simple editing unless he is running an automated script on his desktop to do data manipulation.

I am prepared to argue legally that airborne data creation is not prohibited in the terms, conditions, and use agreements for the Service, and consequently, manipulation of such data afterwards through deletion, is also not a prohibited activity and not injurious to the Service.

You can call me at any time to discuss this. XXX-XXX-XXXX

I was deleting all airborne segments after creation once the points posted to the system. However, on Sunday night some nimrod in SoCal got all snippy about this and ratted on me to the folks in Israel, and they yanked my editing privileges. While I argue with those nincompoops about what is, and isn't allowed under their terms of use, this creates a Christmas present for you: you get to delete my recent segments. Poof! More points for you. And that, my friend, is what this is all about. None of us are doing map editing for altruistic purposes. It is a game, for the points.

Thanks for the note,

XXXX
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Re: Paving by Air

Postby jondrush » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:23 am

There was a local airport with several Waze traces from the runway and surrounding. Per someone's brilliant suggestion, I renamed the runways "DO NOT WAZE IN AN AIRPLANE!"
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