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Proposed update to the wiki - UK Quickstart page

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The How to Label Cities section on Postal vs Actual Addresses lists, as an example, Bromley (Kent) which is in the LB Bromley. However, as that Bromley is the largest town of that name in the UK, the rules dictate that it should drop the (County) suffix and, on the map, we show it as "Bromley".

Ditto Enfield, which the wiki refers to as Enfield (Middx), but which is only seen on the map as "Enfield", although there is a set of streets with the city set to Enfield (Middlesex) just north-west of Gordon Hill on the map, and as an alt name on Myddleton Ave in Forty Hill.

The other example given in the wiki is Hornchurch, and Hornchurch and South Hornchurch, both in Essex, are the only Hornchurches in the UK, so don't need a suffix, meaning we have a slightly misleading set of examples.

We do have a couple of good examples - Belmont in LB Harrow, and Belmont in LB Sutton. The Sutton version is correctly shown on the map as Belmont (Surrey). The Barnet version is shown as Belmont (London) where it should be Belmont (Middx) according to the Gazetteer. There are quite a few other Belmonts around the country, and I have no idea which could claim to be the largest.

As Belmont is a good example of the Postal vs Actual Addresses scenario, can I suggest that we drop the use of Bromley, Enfield and Hornchurch, and amend the wiki to use the Belmont examples.

What do people think?

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Last edited by woodvale on Wed Dec 26, 2012 2:00 pm, edited 3 times in total.

Post by DG567
If the page is edited, could the Gazetteer be added to the list of resources at the same time?
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Post by iainhouse
Looks good. :D

If you want to make a draft, you can just make a new page. To do this in the Wiki, simply navigate to a page name that does not exist; the Wiki will then ask you if you want to create the page. (That's what I did with the page to monitor cleanup in Southwark).

If you want a draft for editing an existing page, I guess you could copy the contents to your new page, then make your changes there. If your changes meet with approval, you could then make the same changes to the "real" page, and then delete your draft page.

Or, of course, Wiki pages have an edit history (and don't we all wish WME did :x ). If you make changes on the "real" page and people don't like them, you can undo them.
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I thought you could delete a page you had created, but apparently not. Only a sysop can do that.

You could always clear it out and rename it to something more individual (e.g. "UK_drafts_woodvale") and save it for future drafts? Or maybe one of the UK CMs has the necessary permissions to delete it.
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Post by richardjeeves
Hi all...
For the parts of Hornchurch I can edit (edge of my area) I've already dropped (Essex) suffix along with nearby Romford... Rainham keeps its suffix because of rainham in Kent...
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Post by seriousarsonist
Terribly sorry but what does LB stand for? I'm guessing local borough but not really sure.

Probably just my NI confused self as it is a bit different here (we'd need some very different and rather complicated rules)
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Post by seriousarsonist
Probably a moot point, but, in the bit that EVERY editor SHOULD know the every segment is connected by 1 or 2 nodes bit might need a little * for reminding people that every segment should have 2 nodes even if it doesn't have 2 junctions. While this is great for getting loads of points quickly in an area it would be nice if people terminated sections when they add them.

Sorry, only my tuppence worth
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Post by Timbones
woodvale is right - we do need better examples on that page that use "cities with counties".
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