Brainstorming AM-management

[ img ] Map modifications | Roadworks

Moderators: Benelux Regional Managers, Benelux Local Champs, Benelux Country Managers

Re: Brainstorming AM-management

Postby sirKitKat » Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:28 am

An other point I noticed:
I moved in November from the region of Leuven (working in Hasselt) to the region of Deinze (working in Gent).
In the region of Leuven, I asked and got AM right over several areas, (Brussel, Leuven, Lummen, Hasselt, ...) mainly because I saw huge gaps in the map info I could fill and I needed a higher level to unlock things.

In the mean time, I made enough map edits to reach level 3. Combine this with the 4 mile action radius and different drives in the area around Deinze and Gent and I can edit most of the small roads in the large area around my house/work.
I could ask AM right to the area home/work but up till now I didn't ask AM because it is absolute in my current situation.

Summery: If you are a level 3 editor, obtaining the status of AM does not add any value to map editing itself.
The only use I see in AM is your name comes on the map and you can use it to edit areas that are not in your reach. (If it is not in reach for you, how can you exactly know the local situation)
sirKitKat
Wiki Master
Wiki Master
 
Posts: 673
Joined: Thu Nov 24, 2011 4:50 pm
Location: BE-Deinze / Waze wiki: Benelux
Has thanked: 355 times
Been thanked: 146 times

Re: Brainstorming AM-management

Postby sirKitKat » Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:44 pm

maantje76 wrote:Where I personally are thinking about is updating an editors editing level on request of his mentor, not based on amount of edits. Some of you probably deserve a higher level allready.


I like your thinking
sirKitKat
Wiki Master
Wiki Master
 
Posts: 673
Joined: Thu Nov 24, 2011 4:50 pm
Location: BE-Deinze / Waze wiki: Benelux
Has thanked: 355 times
Been thanked: 146 times

Re: Brainstorming AM-management

Postby sirKitKat » Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:42 pm

An other great feature would be adding comments/threads like/wiki style like to the waze map editor or to junctions.

This would help in situations that, in real life, has undergone construction/modification/change of turn restrictions that are not visible in areal photo's or even streetview.

Also an editor could explain why he did a strange modification.

Example:
In the case of a barrier on a road, a tractor filter (aka 'carter rammer'), pole in the middle of the road The solution I use is adding a junction-point at the place of the obstacle and disallow all turns. This prevents the street for being used for go trough traffic in routing but the routing will sends you to the correct side of the barrier if your destination is on that road.

To a experienced editor who come across such a point, it looks like an unnecessary junction-point and there is a change he will remove it or allow all turns on it. Result: a step back in improving the map.
Solution, an exclamation mark on the map next to the junction with an explanation why that junction is there in its place.
sirKitKat
Wiki Master
Wiki Master
 
Posts: 673
Joined: Thu Nov 24, 2011 4:50 pm
Location: BE-Deinze / Waze wiki: Benelux
Has thanked: 355 times
Been thanked: 146 times

Re: Brainstorming AM-management

Postby kriekenbuik » Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:04 pm

I'm an areamanager.
Isn't it possible to get all the rights in your own area for changing everything and put roadworks on it.
I see an areamanager as a person who is responsible for his area and he should get full access.
How are they doing it in other countries?
For example:
A countrymanager can change everything in belgium. A level 4 is 'boss" in his Province of East-Flanders (for example) and a province has several areamanager. Than I don't have a level 3 when I'm changing something in another area.
kriekenbuik
 
Posts: 51
Joined: Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:14 pm
Has thanked: 1 time
Been thanked: 3 times

Re: Brainstorming AM-management

Postby steveningelbrecht » Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:52 pm

sirKitKat wrote:review system for locked segments
There should be review system that allow lower level users can make a set of edits on a higher locked segment. The set of edits can leave a map-error-like-pin for the higher map editors to review.
Something like this:
sirKitKat (level 3) is editing some roads in his neighbourhood. One of the roads is a N## road and is locked by steveningelbrecht (level 5). On this N## road there are some turning ristrictions not set correctly and sirKitKat (3) set them right, removes some extra waypoints and adds housenumbers to the segment. So far nothing special. When sirKitKat (3) pushes on save, the road in the map editor does not change but instead there is a marker (like the one reported trough the client). When a level 5 spots the mark, he can click on it, and the changes that sirKitKat (3) made are highlighted from the current situation. Now the level 5 can accept these changes or reject them. He should be able to give feedback to sirKitKat why he accepts or rejects the changes.


This would be a great thing, that could be used even more widely. Instead of a simple instruction video for beginners, there could be a totally leveled system of where every editor could be 'revised'... of course, depending on what kind of segments he edited. It speeks for itselfs that a level 3 wouldn't need as much 'revisioning', as a level 1 or 2, or like a level 4 by level 5...

The contra for this is, i think, there is pretty much work to program it... While the first step could be the bullet or dropdown system for locking segments... I guess this is only some adjustment for the WME interface, and an extra parameter per segment in the DB.
steveningelbrecht
Waze Global Champs
Waze Global Champs
 
Posts: 6259
Joined: Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:11 pm
Location: Belgium
Has thanked: 1198 times
Been thanked: 1225 times

Re: Brainstorming AM-management

Postby bgoffa » Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:34 am

Being a "normal editor", I personally do not have the experience on editing being a heavy workload. Assuming the previous messages, the workload is prodominantly on the level of (un)locking. Or are there other topics that could offer increased efficiency and reduced time consumption?
Isn't there a more general policy, internationally? Or is it a Benelux issue only?
bgoffa
 
Posts: 17
Joined: Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:20 pm
Location: Antwerp
Has thanked: 3 times
Been thanked: 0 time

Re: Brainstorming AM-management

Postby sirKitKat » Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:33 pm

I think the main problem is situated in the WME. These are 2 features I think should improve the editor:

chose a lower level lock
Instead of a checkbox, there should be a drop down menu with the level of lock you want to place on it, or a row of radiobuttons (none; 1; 2; 3; ...) (like steveningelbrecht mentions)

review system for locked segments
There should be review system that allow lower level users can make a set of edits on a higher locked segment. The set of edits can leave a map-error-like-pin for the higher map editors to review.
Something like this:
sirKitKat (level 3) is editing some roads in his neighbourhood. One of the roads is a N## road and is locked by steveningelbrecht (level 5). On this N## road there are some turning ristrictions not set correctly and sirKitKat (3) set them right, removes some extra waypoints and adds housenumbers to the segment. So far nothing special. When sirKitKat (3) pushes on save, the road in the map editor does not change but instead there is a marker (like the one reported trough the client). When a level 5 spots the mark, he can click on it, and the changes that sirKitKat (3) made are highlighted from the current situation. Now the level 5 can accept these changes or reject them. He should be able to give feedback to sirKitKat why he accepts or rejects the changes.
Advantage:
  • Higher level editors spend less time unlocking and locking roads thus can do more in the same time
  • More low level editors can try to improve the map without messing it all up
  • The feedback feature would be a great tool to mentor experienced level editors
sirKitKat
Wiki Master
Wiki Master
 
Posts: 673
Joined: Thu Nov 24, 2011 4:50 pm
Location: BE-Deinze / Waze wiki: Benelux
Has thanked: 355 times
Been thanked: 146 times

Re: Brainstorming AM-management

Postby steveningelbrecht » Thu Jan 03, 2013 3:51 pm

i think we definitely need a new policy about locking segments and also need to have a frame for the coming boom of Belgian Wazers and map editors... :-)

About the locking :
it's to bad we need to focus on the level of the editor in relation to the type of segment and need to lock.
In a ideal situation, every editor should be able to lock a segment on any kind of level, up to the level he has. This way, for example, a level 5 could lock a certain segment on level 3, so AM's of level 3 could unlock or work the segment without the need of requesting an unlock.
The situation now, about requesting unlocks is something like all or nothing, while "black or white" or the most uncommon colours... ;-)

The policy about a type of segment linking to a lvl 3, 4 or 5 (in case of locking) in combination of the coaching, seems ok to me.
Up till today, i don't think we already have enough editors who keep track of the forum and/or wiki, or am i wrong?
I agree we need to have a policy first, so we don't need to make one, once we have a much bigger community, but i haven't had much contact with other belgians over here... so that is also an important thing, i think?!

What do other editors think?
steveningelbrecht
Waze Global Champs
Waze Global Champs
 
Posts: 6259
Joined: Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:11 pm
Location: Belgium
Has thanked: 1198 times
Been thanked: 1225 times

Brainstorming AM-management

Postby Wolfeye » Sun Jan 06, 2013 2:31 pm

Some questions then...

Do you have a guideline for managing existing (old) AMs?
Do they have to reapply and does their AM (not rights but) obligation expire at some point?
Can you contact and sustain contact with existing AMs?
Do you even know who applied (earlier) and are an approved AM?
Wolfeye
 
Posts: 327
Joined: Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:21 am
Location: INTL:Sweden, Hörnefors-Umeå
Has thanked: 5 times
Been thanked: 5 times

Brainstorming AM-management

Postby Wolfeye » Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:43 pm

Hello!

I've quietly followed this thread to see if you come up with anything new about AM management. We (in Sweden) just appointed some Champs (I'm one) and, just,like you, investigates how to best manage AM applications and guidelines for AM management.

I will not interfere how you solve this! This is just some thoughts I'd like to share...

Like sirKitKat says, becoming an AM (today) isn't much more than a label.
But you can put more in to that label than there is today. Like responsibility.

Wikipedia says:
Management in all business and organizational activities is the act of getting people together to accomplish desired goals and objectives using available resources efficiently and effectively. Management comprises planning, organizing, staffing, leading or directing, and controlling an organization (a group of one or more people or entities) or effort for the purpose of accomplishing a goal.


I therefor think that becoming an AM isn't about getting rights, it's fulfilling obligations. Every user can edit in WME (besides locks) but an AM is supposed to control these edits and directing the editors.

It's not about:
- getting an area and having the explicit rights to edit in that area.
- doing the most editing in an area.
- earning points.
- being a better Wazer.

It's about leading and guiding editors in that area to minimize workload and maximize usability.
Leading and guiding could be:
- answer questions that comes up.
- contact editors to correct their strategy.
- pointing editors to the Wiki, FAQ, and Forums.
- report abuse to Champs.

As petervdveen said in his first post, it's about communication (not editing).
Wolfeye
 
Posts: 327
Joined: Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:21 am
Location: INTL:Sweden, Hörnefors-Umeå
Has thanked: 5 times
Been thanked: 5 times

PreviousNext

Return to Belgium

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users