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Re: Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Waze Clien

Postby GizmoGuy411 » Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:58 pm

I think CBenson also caught part of this "Saint" and "Street" issue in the past.

Since case has not seemed to be important based on our test results so far, I've only added a subset of those possibilities to the list.

For the use or not of a period in the abbreviation, I think I've add all possibilities.

Here are the iterations added to the list and test rig:
st middle st
St middle St
st middle st.
St middle St.
st. middle st
St. middle St
st. middle st.
St. middle St.
st st st
St St St
st st st
st st st.
st st. st.
st st. st
st st. st.
st. st st
st. st st.
st. st. st
st. st. st.


In each case we are hoping for "st" to say "street" and "st." to say "saint".
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Re: Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Waze Clien

Postby GizmoGuy411 » Fri Mar 16, 2012 4:56 am

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AlanOfTheBerg wrote:I thought we decided long(er) ago that differentiation should be with the period or without. Positional should make no difference. St=street, St.=saint, Dr=drive, Dr.=Drive, etc. Why make it more complicated?

No problem. I probably wasn't following at that time. Just looking to get out of a bunch of future edits :P


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Re: Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Waze Clien

Postby GizmoGuy411 » Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:50 am

The first batch of TTS abbreviation tests from yesterday's map updates have been tested.

This completed a third more of the 700 abbreviations to be tested.

As a summary of the results with this batch, it was learned that the letters of the alphabet can be represented in nearly every combination of upper and lower case, with and without any puncutaion and they will be promounced as letters.

The letters N, E, S, and W are the exceptions, however a particular combination of puncution will allow them to be promounced as letters instead of the cardnial directions of North, East, South and West. This will allow names such as "North N Street".

Since I did not correctly indentify which test segment in the rig produced which results, I will need to retest them in the field. Jenncard as confirmed this too with her test rig, and may have the answer tomorrow.

Unfortuneatly, no two letter abbreviations could be idendified for the states and provinces, territories, etc., in North America, except for "Ny" for New York. ("NY" says "en wye") We will have to petition Waze to add these.

Curiously while various capitalization and puncutuation combinations could not pronounce the states, they did impact how the two letter abbreviations where either pronounced as word or as letters. More details as the test segments are retested.

Unfortuneatly, several popular abbreviations failed, such as for Martin Luther King, Saint, and Senior. Positional tests for Saint are in the test rig, but will not be available until the next map update.

A few other abbreviations suggested by CBenson from the "Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices" were recognized.

Jenncard has many of the remaining third to be tested in her rig, plus a number of additional tests which we will merge once we have time to test them and compare our results.
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Re: Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Waze Clien

Postby GizmoGuy411 » Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:18 pm

A few of jenncard's results were added to the list a couple of days ago. I had not announced it as I had hoped to complete the addition of all of her tests yesterday. However my schedule did not allow it, as some additional field testing is necessary to determine why a few of her results differ from mine.

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Re: Re: Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Waze C

Postby GizmoGuy411 » Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:14 pm

AndyPoms wrote:I have several exits here in CT that say "N. Y. City"... I was listening closely today and I got "North Why City" through the TTS... Without me testing 75 variations, does anyone know a way to keep some form of "N. Y." (NY, N.Y., etc) for the display and get it to read "New York" in the TTS?

Thanks for your help,
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Look at the abbreviation list linked in the lead post of this thread. I think it has been updated to include the abbreviation for New York that works.

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Re: Re: Re: Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Wa

Postby GizmoGuy411 » Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:29 pm

AndyPoms wrote:
GizmoGuy411 wrote:
AndyPoms wrote:I have several exits here in CT that say "N. Y. City"... I was listening closely today and I got "North Why City" through the TTS... Without me testing 75 variations, does anyone know a way to keep some form of "N. Y." (NY, N.Y., etc) for the display and get it to read "New York" in the TTS?

Thanks for your help,
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Look at the abbreviation list linked in the lead post of this thread. I think it has been updated to include the abbreviation for New York that works.

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For New York the doc says:

New York NY CU 2012-02-19 n/a. Says the letters 2012-03-22 GizmoGuy411 A
New York Ny CU 2012-02-19 New York 2012-03-22 GizmoGuy411 R

If I read that correctly, "NY" says "enn why" (and it should be Added) and "Ny" says "New York" but the recommendation is to Remove it?

The other thing I noticed while looking at the State List (and if I'm reading this wrong, please let me know) is that you want to add "Ct" to be "Connecticut" instead of "court" which is currently does. Being from Connecticut, we have many roads named "Something Court" and the USPS abbreviation is "Ct" for "Court" (but it's also missing from the "C" section of the list...


Since I am mobile at the moment I can't answer in sufficient detail.

We are looking for all the state abbreviations to be two letter abbreviations in caps and no periods.

So "Ct" would be "court" and "CT" would be the state.

As far as New York goes I don't think you should use the current working abbreviation.

So until the TTS issues are addressed , my best advice at the moment is "when in doubt, spell it out"!



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Re: Re: Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Waze C

Postby GizmoGuy411 » Tue Apr 03, 2012 5:45 pm

DonJ2 wrote:Does TTS expand "Mem" or "MEM" to "Memorial"?


Look in the list linked in the lead post to see if we are testing for it, and if so, if we have results yet.

I'll check too when I have time and computer access.

It will be added to list for testing if not there now.

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Re: Re: Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Waze C

Postby GizmoGuy411 » Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:21 am

invented wrote:Does TTS say "1st" "2nd" "3rd" et al as expected?


Good question. It looks like we never tested for them.

My testing is on hold for a while as I need to catch up with other matters.

I'll have to at least add them to the list for future testing.

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Re: Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Waze Clien

Postby GizmoGuy411 » Mon May 07, 2012 3:09 pm

CBenson wrote:
GizmoGuy411 wrote:
Yes that is a surprise. Maryland has quite a few more abbreviations than the fed list too. I looked my state of Ohio, and our abbreviation list is a copy of the federal list.

I supposed to do the our list right we should look at these for EVERY state. I'm afraid however I'm not up to the task, as our current list represents a fair amount of effort to date, and with only 35% tested so far, there will be a lot more to test once the map tiles are updated again.

Would anyone like to compare the MUTCD list for every state against our list and submit any additional abbreviations we should add?

http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/resources/sta ... /index.htm


It appears that Maryland is the only state to add a bunch to the fed list. So this doesn't look to be such a problem.


Whew! Thanks for checking on that! Yes that will make things easier.
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Re: Re: Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Waze C

Postby GizmoGuy411 » Mon May 07, 2012 3:45 pm

AndyPoms wrote:
GizmoGuy411 wrote:
AndyPoms wrote:I have several exits here in CT that say "N. Y. City"... I was listening closely today and I got "North Why City" through the TTS... Without me testing 75 variations, does anyone know a way to keep some form of "N. Y." (NY, N.Y., etc) for the display and get it to read "New York" in the TTS?

Thanks for your help,
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Look at the abbreviation list linked in the lead post of this thread. I think it has been updated to include the abbreviation for New York that works.

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For New York the doc says:

New York NY CU 2012-02-19 n/a. Says the letters 2012-03-22 GizmoGuy411 A
New York Ny CU 2012-02-19 New York 2012-03-22 GizmoGuy411 R

If I read that correctly, "NY" says "enn why" (and it should be Added) and "Ny" says "New York" but the recommendation is to Remove it?

The other thing I noticed while looking at the State List (and if I'm reading this wrong, please let me know) is that you want to add "Ct" to be "Connecticut" instead of "court" which is currently does. Being from Connecticut, we have many roads named "Something Court" and the USPS abbreviation is "Ct" for "Court" (but it's also missing from the "C" section of the list...


You were correct to point out that in the State list that "Ct" was tagged as to be "Added". That was clearly a copy and paste error!

"CT" should be Connecticut, and "Ct" should be Court.

Yes "Ct" was missing from the "C" section as the official USPS abbreviations are all in upper case. When the list was initially created, the entire USPS list was imported as is into the spreadsheet, and everything was left in upper case, and the mixed case variation of "Ct" was never added.

USPS actually use "CT" for both the state and the word! Not a problem for them, as they don't have to worry about TTS. Yes a problem for Waze!

Similarly, "NY" should be "New York" and "Ny" should removed as the current TTS abbreviation for New York, and we should avoid using it in Waze, as Harlan reiterated.

And again for now, our motto of "when in doubt, spell it out" is often the best advice as Alan said.

So thanks Andy for pointing out the errors/omissions in the list. I'm sure there are more if anyone cares to help proof it!
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