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Level 5 assistance needed in North East Ohio

Postby kuduboet » Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:31 am

I'll definitely give it a try, I don't think I changed that so I think 3D is the default view. Will report back tomorrow with findings/opinion. Thanks.


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Level 5 assistance needed in North East Ohio

Postby kuduboet » Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:05 pm

Okay, so here is a permalink to the local lanes/express lanes issue.

https://www.waze.com/editor/?zoom=5&lat ... s=62300502

I was able to capture it today, finally. So south of this about 6 miles it told me to go left to get in to the express lanes but I didn't, I stayed in the local lanes. As you can see from the traces, it did identify that I stayed in the local lanes, but at this point it still told me to go right to get back into the local lanes despite the fact that I was already there.

I can ignore the incorrect instructions, my question is if I had marked a vehicle on the shoulder during this period, would it have shown and been applied to the local lanes or the express lanes? Not sure what is going on here. Thanks.


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Re: Level 5 assistance needed in North East Ohio

Postby kuduboet » Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:40 pm

Sorry for the broken link, here it is corrected

https://www.waze.com/editor/?zoom=5&lat ... s=62300502
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Re: Level 5 assistance needed in North East Ohio

Postby MisterMooCow » Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:04 pm

Have you tried the same routes in other mapping apps (to rule out any GPS irregularities)?

The next time this happens, can you report a map issue so that it will capture your track?
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Re: Level 5 assistance needed in North East Ohio

Postby MisterMooCow » Tue Jan 15, 2013 4:25 pm

kuduboet wrote: I tested it with my Garmin today and the Garmin clearly stayed in the local lanes and when I was being navigated, Waze "drifted" into the express lanes but when I was later driving with Waze, but not navigating, it showed me staying in the local lanes. So to me it confirms it is some sort of logic issue with Waze when navigating, not an accuracy issue.


Sorry, I meant another GPS app on the same device that is running Waze. I have no doubt that GPS is accurate enough to make a distinction (when using a good receiver, with good ephemeral data, a good antenna, good antenna orientation, and good satellite visibility). But a GPS receiver in a phone with obscured satellite visibility and who-knows-how-much latency in calculations vs. rendering (plus whatever other tradeoffs the manufacturer made in order to cram that much functionality into what is primarily a communication device)-- maybe not (or maybe not, given the variability of RF equipment, on a specific unit at a specific point in time/space).

Note that the satellites are always moving, so to even begin to compare receivers you'd need to be at the same place at the same time and in the same vehicle with the antennas in the same place/orientation, etc. That's why running another app on the same device at (roughly) the same time would help pinpoint the source of error(s) in this situation.
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Re: Level 5 assistance needed in North East Ohio

Postby MisterMooCow » Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:50 pm

kuduboet wrote:Okay, so I tested this this morning running both Waze and Apple Maps at the same


Did you report a map issue (in app) that captured your track? If so, please post a permalink so that we can all take a look.
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Re: Level 5 assistance needed in North East Ohio

Postby MisterMooCow » Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:13 pm

kuduboet wrote:So here it is, and as you can see Waze wanted to go left, I stayed right and interestingly it shows my route as staying to the right. But Waze definitely thought I was in the express lanes as it also prompted me 5 miles later to move back over to the right to get into the local lanes for my upcoming exit, so it must be a logic thing, as Waze actually could see I didn't follow it's path but never "recalculated" and adjusted the route based on my staying right in the local lanes?


OK, thanks for posting that-- unfortunately, it doesn't show the interesting part of your journey (the "5 miles later" part) and instead shows that waze was actually tracking you quite well into the local lanes. What we need is a UR (and tracks) where it's giving you instructions based on erroneous location.
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Re: Level 5 assistance needed in North East Ohio

Postby MisterMooCow » Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:54 am

kuduboet wrote:So if I understand correctly you want me to map error it when it is telling me to get back over into the local lanes when I am already in them>? Is that correct?


Yes, you got it-- when you do that, it should save your track as well as the route that waze thinks you are (or should be) on. That might give us some idea of what's up (and will give us something to forward to more knowledgeable folks for advice).

Oh, you also you might want to select wrong directions for the map error type (I'm uncertain as to whether the other selections for a map error will cause the route and track to both be saved).

kuduboet wrote:Thanks for trying to help figure this out


Thanks for your willingness to generate debugging info.
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Re: Level 5 assistance needed in North East Ohio

Postby MisterMooCow » Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:53 pm

I was told at one point that the resolution of the client is significantly lower than what's visible in WME. I guess the question is how/what does it decide to render when two roads are essentially coincident. It could be that they're both actually displayed in the client but that one obscures the other.
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Re: Level 5 assistance needed in North East Ohio

Postby MisterMooCow » Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:33 am

What client and what settings are you using? I think I just found the area in question on my phone. I can clearly see all lanes:

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