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Incorrect suburbs / Suburb limits

Post by pipelongar
Since I started using Waze, I have noticed when driving that very often the application shows the incorrect suburb, and I've seen a number of Update Requests about the same issue, Incorrect Suburbs. A very common suburb that shows almost everywhere I drive is Windsor (btw, I live in QLD).

I have noticed that in Cartouche, many unidentified roads (the red ones) have Windsor (there are other problematic suburbs like Paddington, Newstead, Red Hill, etc. but let’s just talk about Windsor as example) as city name by default, and I thought that was the problem. I thought that those roads where pulling the suburb limits incorrectly. So I started changing as many new roads as I could, putting the correct suburb, hoping that this would fix the problem, but the problem was still there. And newly recorded roads, especially in new areas, would have Windsor as default city.

So I decided to write to alpha asking for help. The reply was not only helpful but also very interesting. What happens is that those problematic suburbs exist also in other states. For example there is Windsor in QLD, VIC and NSW. So, yes, there are streets pulling the suburb limits but they are in other states!

The solution is something that was discussed in another thread (http://www.waze.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=4704). This is, to add the state to the name of the suburb. This should be a temporary solution while a State field is added to the system. The person from the alpha team who replied to my email said that they have updated the incorrect suburbs that I reported adding the state name, example ‘Oxley QLD’ and ‘Oxley VIC’.

So it seems that adding the state to the name of the suburb is definitely the way to go for now.
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Post by Danbolator
So it seems Waze has updated the cities layer. there's indications that this will be a more common occurance as well.
http://www.waze.com/forum/viewtopic.php ... 40#p294790
eshabtai wrote: Cities polygons should be more up to date, basically on every map update.
The addition of state is still on our todo list and not part of new infra.

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i've been adding ", NSW" to all the suburbs i've edited- the "todo" list reference is very ambiguous and there's still heaps of cities that span states. i don't want to add to the problem by excluding state but i also don't want to create a future problem (can cities be bulk-edited by Waze staff?) -
any thoughts on how i should proceed?
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Post by Danbolator
bad-codriver wrote:Thanks dave_cairns,

I've gone through my suburb of Rosehill, NSW and tried to regularise the naming convention to "Rosehill, NSW" so that it may be differentiated from "Rosehill, QLD". I think I've changed all Streets, Roundabout segments and Landmarks, but it is difficult since the search function on the WME doesn't seem to be able to locate map objects that are named "Rosehill" and not "Rosehill, NSW".

The whole region just south and east of Parramatta remains a horrible hotchpotch of city region colours: e.g. https://world.waze.com/editor/?lon=151. ... TTTTTTTTFT, implying a lack of accuracy or rigour in naming. As I go along I'm trying to fix these, but I'm not sure when the City layer is updated in the WME - is it instantly updated as I edit or does it have to wait for an map update?

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I don't know if i've missed something in your post but i've found that the colour highlights script
http://www.waze.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=25806
does a good job at finding suburb names on street segments. updates instantly, no need to wait for the city polygons to be updated. You do have to be zoomed in far enough for it to show every road though
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Post by dave_cairns
I've just had a quick look - my guess is it is that roundabout right under the title.. It's been edited recently by tobian (27/12). Give it a few weeks and it will probably go away. It looks like the city names don't update with every map update run, only every month or so.

I re-did all of Newport in QLD in early December as well - it also took a couple of map updates to straighten out.
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Post by drraspberry
I was having the same problem in my area. Thanks for the info
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Post by foxitrot
ituajr wrote:How about a compromise position: Use the simple 'City" form unless there is a conflict with an existing City of the same name in another state. When there is a conflict, use "City, State".
This approach is being quite commonly used here around for duplicate city names, belonging to different districts.
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Post by hawknz
Since pipelongar's post in April 2011, there still does not seem to be any update/fix on this yet.
I've also noticed with the new Map Editor, that if you select several streets to bulk-edit, the State option lists only as "Other".
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Post by jonypony
Actually, incorrect city names on the map are an issue that's caused by misnaming cities in the past (first lower-case names, or incorrect spelling) that were saved and then did not disappear even if the name was fixed (due to an issue with our filtering system).
If you encounter incorrect city names or "dead cities" (ones without any segments) - please let me know the exact name that shows on the map, and if possible - include a permalink.

We'll then directly delete these dead/incorrect city names from the map.

-Yonatan :mrgreen:
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Post by pcp192
We have a discussion going in New Zealand about how to best use the City field and whether it should be populated with city, suburb, town, or even left blank in rural areas. Reading the posts here it sounds like you've done a bit of work already in this area in Australia.
I couldn't see anything in your Wiki pages on use of the City field- do you have a standard approach to how this field is used that we could learn from?

The issues we're trying to solve include the correct appearance of names on the map for cities, suburbs (within cities), smaller towns and rural areas. We're also proposing the use of alternative names to aid in searching where either the city or suburb name might be used.

There's only a few people involved in the discussion at the moment so looking for external input and ideas. Any thoughts you can share would be appreciated.
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