Revision Control - Map Edits for URs

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Revision Control - Map Edits for URs

Postby Bigbear3764 » Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:39 pm

I disagree with leaving them in my area. We do have several editors active and we all keep our area clear of flags. It is easier to me to correct a few flags a day and stay ahead of the game. When the poster gets the resolved/unresolved email, they get who the editor is and the location they posted it. If they can't figure out on how to contact me or come on here to the forums to report the problem, hopefully someone else can post a better description. I have had a few contact me, and if I have cleared one by another editor, I have suggested leaving their user name in the description. If I see that, I'll leave it alone or send them a PM giving them a permalink to the UR in case they forgot where they dropped the pin.

If you are in a rural area, you can probably do like you said. Combing thru some rural areas in my state, I found ones that are nearly a year old.


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Revision Control - Map Edits for URs

Postby witfits » Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:13 pm

Has there been discussions on this?

Here's an example case:

A UR pops up with ambiguous information.
1. The time stamp needs a decoder ring.
2. The user did a bad job of indicating what the problem is in favor of driving safely.

The UR date shows "yesterday".
One or more potentially applicable segments indicate they've been modified "today".

Questions:
1. There is a potential that two or more are editing at the same time. Does the WME provide any indication or exhibit any behavior when this occurs?
2. Is revision history available? Or is this called a "lock"? :arrow: facetious remark

When I see the potential of "two cooks". I simply walk away and see if the UR is still there tomorrow.

Also, I believe that some drivers will drop a UR with the intent to fix it upon access to WME. To me, another reason to leave it alone for a bit. If you think about it, these types of URs are exactly the ones editors are tempted to just "resolve" and keep going.

When they're unclear or look like somebody has jiggled something, try to let them sit for awhile.
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Re: Revision Control - Map Edits for URs

Postby witfits » Sun Feb 03, 2013 5:06 am

I excluded the highest-value roadway type "freeway" for which I think I95, 495, and other interstates are categorized. So add ramps and other high-value roadways to the list that are and should be locked at level 5. Because it just is inappropriate for novice editors to try and manipulate those segments.

I'm thinking more along the lines of that "trouble-spot" that was locked 6 or 8 months ago for a very good reason. Or, that lengthy construction area that has finally settled down. Or, a "restricted turn might be allowed" that needs a new segment or a simple tweak.
The issue is not so much that an editor has to request an unlock, but that it's hard to find out what somebody was "guarding/thinking" when they issued the lock. I always wonder how many times the bit goes from one to zero and back again. Then I wonder how many novices just close the UR when they find they're unable to affect change.

Here's my experience. I run across a UR. I first see if I have enough information to make a worthy fix. Then I try to determine if it's a map/routing issue, an app issue, or simply an issue where the driver expects magic. I mean, I would like it if the app read my mind!
Then I check the immediate area to see if/what has been modified in the last week or so. Then I check to see if anything is locked. If the potential fix is, or is adjacent to a lock, I let it sit hoping the "locking" editor will address the UR. Then I hope somebody doesn't come along and just "Solved" the UR but not really fix it.

I track my changes and flag my locks with a reminder 10 days from the edit. Oh, and I'd love to check routing against changes, real-time (please add that to the wish list).
And yes, if I could, I would lock my entire area. But that may not be fun for everyone else. :D

It's just too easy to mutter bad things and call names so instead, when I see a blunder I send a PM to the editor gently trying to help them learn. Most respond positively and have expressed gratitude for pulling them up. Many have written back to me with complaints about locked segments though. Which precipitated these threads.
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Re: Revision Control - Map Edits for URs

Postby harling » Sun Feb 03, 2013 3:34 am

Since Waze's plan is to protect high-value roads independent of editor locks, eventually (hopefully) locks will only be needed for special occasions such as "tricky" intersections--in which case some sort of annotation is probably helpful. However, I agree that annotating every locked segment individually would be excessive.

I believe Waze also intends to implement editor notes that can be pinned to the map--which could serve this very purpose.
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Re: Revision Control - Map Edits for URs

Postby Mike-1323 » Sun Feb 03, 2013 2:23 am

I disagree with all of that.

A comment area should never be required for locking a segment. Most segments that I lock are high-value roads that inexperienced editors shouldn't be able to screw around with. I wouldn't want to have to enter that, even as a cut-and-paste, for nearly every road that I lock. Imagine doing that for every segment of the beltway and I-95, including express lanes, HOV lanes, and ramps. Even selecting multiple segments and locking them all at once it would be a major nuisance for no benefit.

Even worse is the expiring lock idea. Again, locking segments is mostly the high value roads that shouldn't be edited by just anybody and there's no reason to have those locks expire. Just imagine the emails or whatever notification you propose when I get one for every segment of the beltway and I-95, including express lanes, HOV lanes, and ramps. How many hundreds of notifications is that? I certainly don't want to have to deal with that. Especially if it happens at shortening intervals of time as you suggest.

Having an optional comment box associated with the segment, lock, or junction is a good idea. There are many instances where a junction or segment needs to have some explanation associated with them. Some editors are using landmarks for that now but having an official comment field has been a request for a while.
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Re: Revision Control - Map Edits for URs

Postby witfits » Sun Feb 03, 2013 1:48 am

Of course, the obvious solution would be to push this to the back-end.
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Re: Revision Control - Map Edits for URs

Postby witfits » Sat Feb 02, 2013 4:09 pm

Example Only. Not proposed for major roadway locks.

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Re: Revision Control - Map Edits for URs

Postby witfits » Sat Feb 02, 2013 3:13 pm

I'm searching for more information. In the meantime, has there been any thought/discussion around providing details when one locks a segment?
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Re: Revision Control - Map Edits for URs

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:14 am

Maybe they will re-institute this feature, or something based on it some day. The current editor is still sending your current view information to the server.

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Re: Revision Control - Map Edits for URs

Postby witfits » Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:52 pm

I didn't figure there was any sort of revision control.

If two editors are going at it or an editor did not close the UR, AND I see that the immediate area has been recently edited, I will still wait before I try to solve the issue (no more than an hour or so). My thinking is the other editor has made a change so I don't want to add additional variables which may break something else.
Further, concurring with CBenson, if I haven't driven the area recently and/or there is no other visual to provide clues, I'll leave it for another editor that may have better knowledge of the direct area.
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