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Re: Default Map Colors

Postby TK80866 » Thu Jul 22, 2010 12:56 pm

Ontopic: I like the green better, although I manually changed the default theme to the night theme on my phone, I like the dark better :)


Offtopic: I got to agree with Hallmike and some of the others, it sometimes looks (and I am not saying it is actually like this as I cannot see behind the scenes, I already found out the Waze team is much bigger than it appears at the outside but I don't know about this for sure) as if there is more done about the looks of the app than the actual functionality.

I can honestly name too many things that need to be improved, before the app will actually really be usable. For myself, whenever I drive I usually have Waze on, but for the actual routing I have to use a standalone GPS device that can actually find the locations I need to go (if I don't know where I have to be). This is, for example, because more than 90% of the houses here in Hawaii do not have house numbers within Waze yet and I wish I could add them but we cannot add dashes in the house number which most of the house numbers have over here and I don't feel much for doing things twice. Because of this, many locations cannot be found yet and therefore it becomes unusable for many people. And there are many more examples I could give that needs to be improved. I don't think it is so weird to think that people who try the app might actually walk out and go for something else because this app is not finished yet.

Like said, I'm sure things are being worked on behind the scene, but this is something we cannot tell. I have the feeling the Waze team is bigger than most expect, maybe it would be a good idea to show the users here how many people work on Waze, for example. be more open and show us some insights. I have to agree with the others, right now it kind of looks as if more work is being put into the look and feel or Waze and like nothing much is being done to the issues that needs to be addressed in order to have a working app and that is a bit sad because I really feel that Waze could become a very big thing if things are done right.
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Re: Default Map Colors

Postby hallmike » Thu Jul 22, 2010 4:56 am

OK, I see some of your points but the way I understood it, Waze wants to eventually make money selling updated maps. If they spend their time courting the 90% (by your guess) of users that don't edit and just freeload, Waze will never get their maps into a marketable state and go bankrupt.

I think they need to put down the color crayons and fix the problems that are driving away the map editors. Sure there may be different teams of developers, but when there are so many obvious and frustrating problems they may have to reallocate the coloring team to the bug fixing team in order to create a viable product.

But then again, if you're happy with things they way they are, I may just be too picky and need to go somewhere else where they'll appreciate my months of hard work instead of pandering to the 0day n00bs by giving them new pretty colors and shiny road goodies.
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Re: Default Map Colors

Postby sketch » Wed Jul 21, 2010 11:02 pm

hallmike wrote:Really? You don't get server timeouts when requesting a route?
Nope.
hallmike wrote:You don't have issues with segments folding back upon themselves when removing a junction?
Haven't seen it.
hallmike wrote:You don't have any segments in your area that appear to be connected but really aren't?
Be more specific?
hallmike wrote:Your dashboard routes are updated correctly every night?
It's a known issue on which they are already working.
hallmike wrote:You don't experience any of a dozen other issues everyone else is complaining about? I'd like to know how you got the bug-free version so I can get it too!
You don't think they're working on that? Throwing together a draft sample colour scheme takes literally five minutes.
hallmike wrote:OK, but this application is a lot more than just staring at a map all day. It's supposed to be interactive an allow you to update the map problems. But when bugs and glitches prevent you from editing correctly, or make it too frustrating to do so, all those users that came because of the pretty maps will leave.
Not really. I'd wager over 90% of waze's users never touch the map editor. Why bother?

Look at Wikipedia. How many of Wikipedia's users do you think have ever edited an article? Exactly.
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Re: Default Map Colors

Postby RallyChris » Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:58 pm

Keep in mind that most products have multiple teams.

So yes, their might be issues on the server side, but most likely the people programming the phone application code, don't work on the server code.

So even though you are seeing work being done on the client side, don't think that those hours could be spent on the server side, as they most likely are unrelated jobs/skills.
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Re: Default Map Colors

Postby hallmike » Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:50 pm

sketch wrote:It's all been working pretty nicely for me.

Really? You don't get server timeouts when requesting a route? You don't have issues with segments folding back upon themselves when removing a junction? You don't have any segments in your area that appear to be connected but really aren't? Your dashboard routes are updated correctly every night? You don't experience any of a dozen other issues everyone else is complaining about? I'd like to know how you got the bug-free version so I can get it too!

sketch wrote:An attractive application is an application that is pleasant to use. No one wants to stare at an ugly map all day, and the more users that like it, the more users we have, and the better the maps get.

OK, but this application is a lot more than just staring at a map all day. It's supposed to be interactive an allow you to update the map problems. But when bugs and glitches prevent you from editing correctly, or make it too frustrating to do so, all those users that came because of the pretty maps will leave.
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Re: Default Map Colors

Postby sketch » Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:54 pm

hallmike wrote:I'd prefer that you not waste time and resources making anything prettier until all of the numerous frustrating bugs, glitches, and errors have been fixed. Stop putting form ahead of function. If it doesn't work, it won't matter how it looks because no one will be looking at it.

It's all been working pretty nicely for me. An attractive application is an application that is pleasant to use. No one wants to stare at an ugly map all day, and the more users that like it, the more users we have, and the better the maps get.

Anyway, greenish is nice! I've been using Tutti-frutti in the client because it's the only one that differentiates between streets and minor highways and between minor highways and freeways. This distinction is paramount, as far as I'm concerned; I don't even like the Tutti-frutti scheme that much :P
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Re: Default Map Colors

Postby QuickOK » Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:35 am

I vote for Greenish or whichever map properly displays all four stages of traffic
Light, Moderate, Heavy, Complete Standstill AND has mass appeal.
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Re: Default Map Colors

Postby muchski » Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:57 am

Yeah I think map improvements are important too! A map and app has to look good to have mass appeal, but even more so from a functional perspective I am having a problem in Winnipeg that the basic Govt map data made the Primary Streets all Major Highways, not a big deal as I want to change them to Primary Streets but the problem is Primary Streets dont appear at a far enough zoom level.

To illustrate my example look at how the waze client looks on my phone for the city of Winnipeg. If I change all the major hwys to primary street, the average wazer would think there is a void inside of the ring hwy that encircles my city called the Perimeter Hwy.
http://www.photoboothweb.com/image.php?id=0720tr876n7p

compared to on the cartouche which although clunkier looking at least shows primary streets when almost the entire city of Winnipeg is viewed.
http://www.waze.com/cartouche/?zoom=0&l ... FFFFFFTTTT

So basically I am hoping for primary streets to be more visible at further zooms so you can see the basic layout of the city using this important streets. I dont want to label these roads minor hwy or major hwy just to be visible (not that I have intentionally done so!).

Thanks,
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Re: Default Map Colors

Postby hallmike » Tue Jul 20, 2010 12:50 pm

I'd prefer that you not waste time and resources making anything prettier until all of the numerous frustrating bugs, glitches, and errors have been fixed. Stop putting form ahead of function. If it doesn't work, it won't matter how it looks because no one will be looking at it.
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Re: Default Map Colors

Postby ES110178 » Tue Jul 20, 2010 11:42 am

We have made our self Colourscheme for Germany.
Freeway`s are here blue, Minor Highways Yellow.
See yourself -> viewtopic.php?f=75&t=3211&start=0

Best regards Erik
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