Converting gas station venues to landmarks [US]

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Re: Converting gas station venues to landmarks [US]

Postby CBenson » Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:23 pm

shirlig wrote:4) We highly recommend NOT to delete the gas stations that we integrated (usually their names appear in uppercase, they contain data like phone number, address etc) to the map because we will also lose automatic update of prices from the external resource. (You can edit their details, just don't delete them)

We'll that's the point there are a few like the one I linked to that no longer physically exist, yet somehow the 3rd party manages to update the prices. I would love for you to lose the automatic update of prices from the external resource for these closed stations.
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Re: Converting gas station venues to landmarks [US]

Postby CBenson » Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:31 pm

Ahh, I see some new ones now. https://www.waze.com/editor/?lon=-76.97 ... TTTTTTTTFT
What happens to gas stations in the database if we delete the landmark because the station doesn't actually exist?
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Re: Converting gas station venues to landmarks [US]

Postby Cattaco » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:08 pm

This may be off topic and a little late since this thread is a couple of months old, but I found a Flagstop Car Wash and Quick Lube placed by Admin on April 14th in Colonial Heights, Virginia. The placement on the map was probably about 5 miles off, and I corrected that, but its marked as a gas station in the properties even though it doesn't sell gas. I'm kind of new to map editing, and I'm still learning, but I want to do things right.

Any suggestions as to how to handle this? Here is the permalink to the area in question. https://www.waze.com/editor/?zoom=7&lat ... rks=690350

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Re: Converting gas station venues to landmarks [US]

Postby AndyPoms » Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:22 am

skapur1 wrote:
AndyPoms wrote:I think that the "Brand" field should relate to the Marketing/Signage as that is most visible.


I think this is a simple and easy to follow rule. Just like any other street sign (or expressway exit sign...)

Waze editors are not gasoline quality control police and so should not try to enforce branding agreements by what brand truck goes to what brand gas station.

Please see my more detailed post here: viewtopic.php?f=129&t=46426&start=10#p418782
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Re: Converting gas station venues to landmarks [US]

Postby AndyPoms » Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:56 am

I think that the "Brand" field should relate to the Marketing/Signage as that is most visible. I don't think users should see "Unbranded" in the client and pull up to the pumps that say "Gulf" or "Mobil". I would prefer to use "Unbranded" for those independent stores that have only one (or a few local locations) who's signage says things like "Gas" or "Bob's Fuel", etc.

There is also the issue of branded stations going unbranded due to disputes between the franchise & the franchisee - something going on here in CT. I'll have to hunt for the link, although I thought I posted it here before...
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Re: Converting gas station venues to landmarks [US]

Postby AndyPoms » Sun Apr 14, 2013 11:21 pm

CTGreybeard wrote:
AndyPoms wrote:BJ's, Costco, Stop & Shop all have branded gas stations, so be careful when editing the list...

Hmmm, at Costco (and maybe BJ's, too) you must be a member to buy gas. If we have Costco stations are we going to route someone, anyone, there? Maybe the name ought to be "Costco [Members Only]" or some such ...

I've gotten URs about them NOT being in the Gas Price System, so they should be on the map. I don't have any objections to a "Members Only" tag.
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Re: Converting gas station venues to landmarks [US]

Postby AndyPoms » Sun Apr 14, 2013 10:33 pm

BJ's, Costco, Stop & Shop all have branded gas stations, so be careful when editing the list...
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Re: Converting gas station venues to landmarks [US]

Postby AndyPoms » Sun Apr 14, 2013 6:16 pm

What about Gas Station Landmarks that were pre-existing? Like these two https://www.waze.com/editor/?zoom=6&lat=41.73703&lon=-72.65971&layers=BTTFFTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTFTT that I created back in May in anticipation of this change? Were they updated to link to the Gas Price System?
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Converting gas station venues to landmarks [US]

Postby AndyPoms » Sun Apr 14, 2013 11:42 am

The "new" gas station landmarks are not showing the expanded properties (Name, Address, Brand, Phone Number) that are available on the International Server (See in item #7 on http://www.waze.com/wiki/index.php/Gas_station#Add_a_station_.28currently_applies_only_for_world_server.29).

Example New Station: https://www.waze.com/editor/?zoom=7&lat=41.82994&lon=-72.73506&layers=BTTFFTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTFTT&landmarks=712460

Example Old Station (not changed at all): https://www.waze.com/editor/?zoom=6&lat=41.29328&lon=-72.92139&layers=BTTFFTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTFTT&landmarks=519945

it looks like we're going to have to do a lot of Gas Station work in the US based on the what I see in the New Station example above... Aside from the missing properties, the Name is in ALL CAPS, and we're going to have to resize them so they cover the stations correctly.
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Re: Converting gas station venues to landmarks [US]

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:38 pm

sketch wrote:... and it seemed to make the most sense to me that stations where the forecourt and store are separately, but prominently, branded should have the store name in the Name field and the pumps name in the Brand field. This wouldn't apply to stores with generic- or brand-specific names (like Shell's "Food Mart" or Exxon's "Tiger Mart") but to things like Exxon / Circle K, or Shell / Dave's Travel Plaza.

I think I need more info about how these fields are used/not used in the app search/station display before deciding. If I search for gas and it comes up showing "Johnsons' Food Stop" and I only want to go to a Chevron or Shell, then I'd not consider that entry because I don't know what it is. Even though it is a Shell, I can't tell that from the app right now. That's why I feel those should be named after the Brand as Shell, not the store name.
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