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Re: Level 5 Unlock Request/Question - Farmington Hills, MI

Postby sketch » Wed May 15, 2013 9:40 pm

Done!


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Re: Level 5 Unlock Request/Question - Farmington Hills, MI

Postby sketch » Wed May 15, 2013 3:27 am

The Wiki provides rules for wayfinder segments in the Junction Style Guide. The guide gives three example situations where we need to use wayfinder segments. Two of the three apply in this case — lane drop and non-obvious continuation.

The wayfinder rule was added later than most of the junction style rules, after editors noticed the need for them. Some editors who weren't around at the time may not be familiar with it, so some junctions that merit them may be missing them. But it's still in the rules.

If you wanna ignore that the rules state that we need to use wayfinders when they are called for, fine. Say it's up to editor preference. Well, in this case, we have three editors (a local level 5, a local user who noticed a problem, and a guy who's been creating and forming both maps and rules since 2009) who are familiar with the area and who think there should be a wayfinder there.

diegoz281 wrote:Besides, isn't that the purpose of the Wayfinder segments?

Yes, that is precisely their purpose, and that's why this should be one.
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Re: Level 5 Unlock Request/Question - Farmington Hills, MI

Postby sketch » Wed May 15, 2013 12:26 am

txemt wrote:https://www.waze.com/editor/?zoom=5&lat=32.7234&lon=-97.57762&layers=BFTFFTTTTFTTFTTTTTFTTTFTT&segments=71349405

You mean like this?

Yes. I would absolutely use a wayfinder there. Especially because the continuation is on the right.


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Re: Level 5 Unlock Request/Question - Farmington Hills, MI

Postby sketch » Tue May 14, 2013 11:54 pm

txemt wrote:But the exit is an exit. It follows the rules and guidelines of an exit.

It's really not that simple. It's not "just an exit" if the exit has the same number of lanes as the continuation. That's a textbook (or, wiki) example of when it is proper to use a wayfinder segment.


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Re: Level 5 Unlock Request/Question - Farmington Hills, MI

Postby sketch » Tue May 14, 2013 4:58 am

txemt wrote:Oops, I missed a word. That was supposed to real "technically NOT ending at that exit"

Then I'd use a ramp stub on the left for the instruction and keep the freeway for the last few hundred yards for the sake of traffic reports, etc.


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Re: Level 5 Unlock Request/Question - Farmington Hills, MI

Postby sketch » Tue May 14, 2013 4:47 am

txemt wrote:With the exit sign and the 696 technically ending at that exit, doesn't that negate your argument?

If 696 ends at the exit, then the left segment should be a ramp all the way to the end.


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Re: Level 5 Unlock Request/Question - Farmington Hills, MI

Postby sketch » Tue May 14, 2013 4:10 am

txemt wrote:I'm not convinced. Because the exit then splits off, I don't see why someone needs to make the ramp a freeway. I'm also not convinced on why the segment anti-S-crap created needs to be a ramp.If that's the case, then why don't we do that at every exit on the interstates throughout the country.

It's not a run-of-the-mill exit, it's the end of an interstate. The split is a decision point. 696 ends and you have to decide whether to go east or west on 96, the parent interstate.

It's standard practice to name one side of such a split "exit", and not the other. Regardless, neither side has more weight than the other.


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Re: Level 5 Unlock Request/Question - Farmington Hills, MI

Postby sketch » Tue May 14, 2013 2:30 am

L5s: I would modify that junction to be the same type on both sides, either ramp or freeway, following the rules for wayfinder segments. It's pretty clear to me that user anti-S-crap meant to produce that result when he created and named this segment. That way you get an instruction for both sides, which I feel is optimal in this case, because it's two lanes either way and because it's the final split at the end of an interstate.
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Re: Level 5 Unlock Request/Question - Farmington Hills, MI

Postby diegoz281 » Wed Jun 05, 2013 8:20 pm

Kinda late, but just wanted to note that the route works great now! :)
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Re: Level 5 Unlock Request/Question - Farmington Hills, MI

Postby diegoz281 » Thu May 16, 2013 2:14 am

sketch wrote:Done!


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You are awesome sketch! Thanks again for being so helpful!
I'll try driving this route again as soon as I can and I'll update with info :)
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