Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Waze Clients

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Re: Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Waze Clien

Postby GizmoGuy411 » Thu May 01, 2014 4:24 am

vectorspace wrote:I've had more interaction with Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA) on road systems. A few things seem clear and would appreciate the following being done in the TTS spreadsheet.

(1) Remove ISR-xxx - Indian Service Route. This is archaic and not appreciated by the tribes.

(2) Add NTR-xxx Native Tribal Route. TR is used elsewhere as Township Road.


Alan.

Do we want to address this and the MD issue yet, or wait until the current items in the que are resolved? My last test of "BUS" still failed too.
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Re: Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Waze Clien

Postby GizmoGuy411 » Thu May 01, 2014 2:51 pm

PesachZ wrote:On April 27th this ramp to the I-87 S was pronounced "Keep left to eye 87 South, Maj Deegan Expressway, Manhattan, Queens". The Maj was not expanded into Major.


Thanks for the link.

Can you clear your TTS cache, and test this again in the next few days to see if anything changed again after the update Alan mentioned? If you can not get to it, let us know and we can try to test it remotely.
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Re: Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Waze Clien

Postby GizmoGuy411 » Tue May 06, 2014 2:59 pm

sketch wrote:Blah. LA-3021, which used to say ell eh thirty twenty one, now says "Louisiana (pause) thirty thirty one". I'm not happy about it.

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We need to discuss how we want these CAPITALIZED TWO LETTER abbreviations for the entities names for the U.S. States, Districts, Territories, Possessions, and Canadian Provinces to be pronounced. (Refereed to in this post collectively as "XX" abbreviations.)

Should "XX" be pronounced as the entity name or always as just the two letters?
(In the past, some were spoken as letters and others were attempted to be pronounced as a word. We would never want "XX" to be spoken as a word other than the proper name of the entity.)

Do we want it uniform for the entire NA or different for every entity?

Examples such as this BGS exist to demonstrate why entity name to be pronounced in full for the "XX" abbreviations:
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Do we want [XX<space>] different than [XX-] ?
Example: "LA<space> could say "Louisiana" and "LA-" could say the letters "L" & "A".

Again, would we want that to be uniform for the entire NA or custom for each entity?

We recently had two specific "XX" abbreviations that were found to be problematic and have been reverted back to their previous TTS without any further considerations of position or punctuation yet:
- "NE" needed to remain "Northeast" instead of "Nebraska".
- "FM" needed to remain "Farm to Market" instead of the "Federated States of Micronesia"

The entire list of these "XX" abbreviations need to be reviewed again to identify others that may also be problematic that we may have missed. (As mentioned before, I personally missed "NE" and "FM" when I reviewed them a couple years ago.)

These "XX" abbreviations start at around line 800 in the Big TTS Test List.

After some initial discussion, we may want to move this discussion to its own topic.
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Re: Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Waze Clien

Postby GizmoGuy411 » Mon May 12, 2014 11:56 pm

Some progress.

My tests today confirmed that the recent changes by Waze for "BUS", now say "Business" as we requested.

Tests were performed AFTER clearing the TTS cache. Initially Samantha did not speak street names. After switching to Tom, and then back to Samantha, she spoke street names correctly again.

Please do not report any TTS errors unless you clear your cache first and confirm that the voice uses street names.
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Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Waze Clients

Postby GizmoGuy411 » Tue May 13, 2014 3:55 pm

I'll try to set up some tests to see if there has been any changes.

Did you clear your cache before hearing the above results?

Can you send a Permalink for the above segment? If you do not want it public, you are welcome to PM it to me.


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Re: Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Waze Clien

Postby GizmoGuy411 » Mon May 19, 2014 3:50 pm

PesachZ wrote:This ramp segment named "to I-87 N / I-278 E / Bronx / Upstate NY / New England" is being pronounced as "... Eye two seventy eight east <short pause> Bronx <short pause> Upstate New York comma New England"


syborg_sasquatch wrote:
syborg_sasquatch wrote:
syborg_sasquatch wrote:Tom:

Samantha also inserts the word "comma" between "Virginia" and "Frederick" instead of a pause.

I have another example of the "comma" phenomenon when "VA / " is in the street name string.

to I-95 / I-495 Beltway S / Richmond, VA / Andrews AFB. This one states "...Richmond {pause} Virginia comma Andrews AFB"


The problem seems to be anytime a State abbreviation is followed by a "space slash space", that a "comma" will be spoken before the following word.

Until we can get Waze to fix this, a temporary fix is to add an additional space after the slash. (Note that WME Validator will then report that the extra space is an issue.)

I've already updated the example above for New York, and am waiting for test results.

A temporary fix to this issue is to insert an addition space
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Re: Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Waze Clien

Postby GizmoGuy411 » Wed May 21, 2014 7:42 am

qwaletee wrote:How about one LESS space instead? Northern VA/Frederick instead of Northern VA / Frederick


While is does work, as well as any combination so that there is one space in front or of in back of the slash, I agree with sketch that for visual appearance and text wrapping we should not use any of these combinations.

Regardless, we hope to have it fixed, as the problem is more widespread than the examples mentioned in past posts.
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Re: Test of Text-to-Speech (TTS) Abbreviations in Waze Clien

Postby GizmoGuy411 » Wed May 21, 2014 8:00 am

qwaletee wrote:Have we ever had a problem with X=10th before? Per the UR below, the X in Malcolm X Blvd was being pronounced "tenth." I don't know if this is an isolated occurrence. I imagine if it is a problem, it could be resolved by changing "X" to "X." (with a period).

https://www.waze.com/editor/?zoom=5&lat ... 35&endshow


"Malcolm X Blvd" is actually being pronounced, "Malcolm the x Boulevard".

The error has been submitted to Waze.
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Re: US Regional Coordinators Resources

Postby GizmoGuy411 » Wed May 21, 2014 9:10 am

Latest tests:

(REVISED 2014-06-10)
Small round-up of some other test results tonight:

"BUS" says "Business"
"BUSN" says "Business"
"Dr" says "Drive"
"Dr." says "Doctor"
"FM" says "eff emm" and no longer say "Federated States of Micronesia"
"FM 123" says "Farm to Market 123"
"FM-123" says "eff emm 123"
"Int'l" says "International"
"Int'l." says "International" (old abbreviation)
"Intl" says "International"
"Intl." says "International" (not requested)
"Jr." says "Junior" (old abbreviation. Resubmitted for insurance)
"Mt" says "Mount"
"Nat" says "National" (old abbreviation to be removed)
"Nat." says "National" (old abbreviation)
"Nat'l" says "National" (old abbreviation but resubmitted to correct pronunciation)
"Natl" says "National" (old abbreviation)
"Natl." says "National" (old abbreviation)
"N" says "North" (also tested with "I-35E N")
"NE" says "Northeast" instead of "Nebraska"
"NE-123" says "Northeast 123"
"Neb" says "Nebraska" (old abbreviation)
"Penn" says "Pennsylvania" (to be discussed)
"Penn<space>" says "Pennsylvania" (to be discussed)
"Penn x" says "Penn x"
"QEW" says "Queen Elizabeth Way"
"Q.E.W." says "cue eee double-u"
"RM" says the letters "R" and "M"
"RM 123" says "Ranch to Market 123"
"RM-123" says "eff emm 123"
"RM 123" says "Ranch to Market 123"
"SH" says "ess aitch"
"SH 123" says "ess aitch 123"
"SH-123" says "State Highway 123"
"St" says "Street"
"St." says "Saint"
"Ste" says "Sainte" (as used in Canada and possibly elsewhere for Saint".
"Ste." says "Saint"
"Thwy" says "Through-way"
"TR-123" says "Township Road 123"
"Twp" says "Township"
"X-ing" says "Crossing"
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Re: US Regional Coordinators Resources

Postby GizmoGuy411 » Fri May 23, 2014 8:09 am

sketch wrote:
AlanOfTheBerg wrote:
GizmoGuy411 wrote:"Nat" says "National"

This should be removed. It's not a good abbreviation and there are "Nat" streets in the US.

"Nat'l" should say "National". But yes, "Nat" should not. We really should be more careful with these.


I was not clear in the list. "Nat" was NOT our submitted request. It is an old abbreviation that always said "National". And yes it should be removed.

It was added to the list to show all the abbreviations we current have for an item.

Please recheck the list above, as I have revised it and added a few more and have added some notes.

We may need to reconsider some other additional old abbreviations.
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