Searching for Non-unique City Names in Poland

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Searching for Non-unique City Names in Poland

Postby berestovskyy » Tue May 28, 2013 10:55 am

Hi!
We have ~15 villages named "Rudnik" in Poland (link to Wikipedia).

We name those non-unique villages as "Rudnik (province)" or "Rudnik (county)" or "Rudnik (commune)" (just like on Wikipedia).

When we run a search for "Rudnik" in Waze App, instead of getting a list of "Rudnik (provice)", "Rudnik (county)" etc. we get the following results:
  1. Rudnik, Serbia, 658 km away -- another country
  2. Rudnik, 457 km away -- lake
  3. Rudnik (gm. Dobczyce), Poland, 20 km away -- first result
  4. Rudnik (gm. Sulkowice), Poland, 23 km away -- second result
  5. 955, Rudnik (gm. Sulkowice), 23 km away -- a road
  6. Rotmistrza Zbigniewa Dunin-Wąsowicza, Kraków, 1 km away -- a street with no "rudnik" word
  7. Rudnik Mały (woj. śląskie), Poland, 90 km -- different name
  8. Rudnik nad Sanem, Poland, 171 km away -- different name
  9. Riedmoos (unterschleissheim), Germany, 631 km away -- another country, no "rudnik"
  10. Rudnik (pow. miński), Poland, 267 km away -- third result
We got just 3 results and we didn't get Rudnik (woj. lubelskie) (permalink), for instance, which is 234 km away.

The search list is limited to 10 results only, so even in theory we can't get all our 15 Rudniks in one search.

Since I'm limited to 3 attachments only, I'll continue in the next post.
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Re: Searching for Non-unique City Names in Poalnd

Postby berestovskyy » Tue May 28, 2013 11:05 am

I'm posting here the results from Google, Bing and foursquare searches for the same "rudnik" (see attachments).

We have the following administrative division in Poland: province (Voivodeship) > county (powiat) > commune (gmina) > city/village. So we name non-unique villages sometimes as "Rudnik (province)" and sometimes as "Rudnik (county)", just like on Wikipedia.

So even if the search will give us more than 10 relevant results, we still have a problem. Users do not know how the villages named on the map, so user can search for "Rudnik, province", but the village is named as "Rudnik (county)".

We're suffering since years. Please help us to deal with this problem.

Thanks you!
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Re: Searching for Non-unique City Names in Poalnd

Postby berestovskyy » Thu May 30, 2013 8:09 pm

Hi!
Thanks for your reply!

There is no doubt Waze in Poland uses internal search. When I create another test city in WME, named "Rudnik, testa", for instance, it appears in the middle of the results.

Also the search results in WME is quite similar to the results in the App. You can try in yourself:
1) position WME over the Kraków (permalink)
2) search for "rudnik ?" (with question mark at the end) and you'll see pretty much the same results as above in the App.

So it's Waze internal and we can alter the results, but how?

1. Why, for instance, "Rudnik, Serbia, 658 km away" (Nr 1) and "Riedmoos (unterschleissheim), Germany, 631 km away" (Nr 9) are more preferable for Waze than "Rudnik (woj. lubelskie), Poland, 234 km away" (not in the results at all)?

2. Why the search is limited to 10 results only?

3. How shall we put province, county, commune in WME, so the user could find the same city both as "City, province" and as "City, county"? Shall we put it into alt city, like "City (province, county, commune)"?

I totally agree with you! Search is a basic function of any navigation App. It's way more important than U-turns and shields. I hope Waze will hear us and address this with it's new search engine ;)
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Re: Searching for Non-unique City Names in Poalnd

Postby ccdmas » Thu May 30, 2013 6:27 pm

You're most likely suffering from the same limitations and search issues we have in Germany. What we know so far:

The main Waze search itself is country specific, dependant on where you are with your device. IN our case, if you are in Austria, and search for German locations, Waze will search it's own database. If you are in Germany with your device, Waze uses Bing. In both cases, the alternate database is only used if the primary doesn't deliver any results.

In Germany, where the standard Waze search uses Bing results almost excusively, the alternate search methods in Waze (Bing, Google), routinely deliver no results, or just nonsensic ones. IT seems address search in those engines is diabled under that circumstances, and only POIs are found (if any).

We also face the same problem as you, in that we have multitudes of duplicate City Names *and* also Street Names within one and the same city, and Waze is utterly unable to handle that. As Bing is used here as the main search engine, we also have absolutely no means of altering wrong results (as in searches which should give multiple results just delivering one and automatically start navigate to completely wrong locations).

Finally, as Bing is used internally for the main Waze search, and Waze apparently uses english APIs to call into Bing, when we search for German City Names, Waze often delivers back the english names of cities if the search has multiple results. E.G, Köln becomes Cologne, Koblenz becomes Coblenz, München becomes Munich.

All in all, the whole search, mostly due to the utter lack of totally necessary databse fields like Zip code, in Waze is basically a complete Nightmare, and drives away users in in hordes. It amy work in the States, in most of Europe it plain doesn't. And there is no sign whatsoever coming from Waze that there are any Plans to solve this ongoig Issue. Instead, they're busy producing more useless moods for the client and other "fun" functions. It seems to users that Waze considers the core functionality complete enough to only add such cosmetic stuff in updates.

In reality, the address database and the search in Waze are in a truly sad state hardly leaving early Alpha state. It's truly sad how Waze makes itself (knowingly?) unuseable for such huge numbers of users, basically complete countries.

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Re: Searching for Non-unique City Names in Poalnd

Postby ccdmas » Fri May 31, 2013 11:26 am

Hi.

Yes, it seems you are "forunate" enough to use the waze internal DB in Poland. If that's really a fortune is open to discussion, based on your results.

Note that funny enough, WME search is also location specific, e.g your results depend on where WME is currently centered. I get completely different results when it's centered somewhere in germany (then it's bing) than when it's centered in poland (matches your results).

All in all, the waze search in it's current state is, bluntly put, simply junk. It is a waste of time trying to work around it, even more so by trying to fiddle with the data in the waze database. You can't restrict it to countries, it can't sort by any useful means, it misses valid results galore, but instead returns results that have no resemblance whatsoever to the search string (like your "unterschleißheim" result in Germany, I see such crap a lot where the search string neither literally not phonetically is anywhere close to the search).

To make that worse, Waze neither knows zip codes (which most people here at least will search for), nor can it handle suburbs (extremely important over here), counties, and so on. The alternate street and city names are mostly worthless.

And yes, that is the most basic function of every navigation app in the world, and all can do it, just waze not.

And instead of fixing this nightmare of the most basic functionality one can think of, they give us more useless moods with every release. :evil:

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