Vehicle types/ Navigation types

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Re: Vehicle types/ Navigation types

Postby fvwazing » Mon Aug 26, 2013 3:21 pm

Emergency response vehicles in most of the developed world use special gear which costs a ton and uses handcrafted maps (check http://www.fire.nsw.gov.au/news.php?news=2222 for instance) and they are never going to give that up, for liability alone.

But Malaysia? Indonesia? Once the map has high quality for normal traffic a lot could be done, if a squad of ambulancedrivers or a firebrigade pick it up. I feel hesitant about putting another burden on Waze-staff for managing this and hope that an Emergency-Response-Vehicle-mode would create such weird routing at places that any driver trying it will do so only once. Or maybe the local champs should distribute such tokens? They are better situated for research on applicants.

Oh, and ERV are not just another mood. For this to work it also requires a different router. A special webpage for just tracking the different ERV's in a single city is also needed, so that dispatchers can see their vehicles located in real time. To get located by the dispatcher but not by the general public needs a client that sends its location in two different accuracies; and it would be nice if the ERV would show different on the map/get different routing as soon as the horn and lights are on ;`) ETA? 2023 at earliest.
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Re: Vehicle types/ Navigation types

Postby Riamus » Mon Aug 26, 2013 3:01 pm

Lol. Well, there are a few options. 1) Allow those modes for everyone and not treat them as anything special, 2) Don't add those moods at all, or 3) Add the moods, but require some special flag to use them. A special flag would require that emergency services who want to make use of those moods would need to request a flag to be added to their employees so they can use the moods but no one else can. The biggest problem there is that the emergency services would have to want their employees to use Waze and to use those moods in order to get support from them for something like that. In the US, I don't really see that happening, though maybe I'm wrong.
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Re: Vehicle types/ Navigation types

Postby foxitrot » Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:22 pm

AndyPoms wrote:
torone wrote:police/firefigther/ambulance
While a good idea, what's to stop any average driver from using that mode?

A ticket for driving ilegally?
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Re: Vehicle types/ Navigation types

Postby AndyPoms » Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:56 am

torone wrote:police/firefigther/ambulance
While a good idea, what's to stop any average driver from using that mode?
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Re: Vehicle types/ Navigation types

Postby torone » Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:22 am

police/firefigther/ambulance
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Re: Vehicle types/ Navigation types

Postby wisedraco » Wed Jul 31, 2013 6:24 am

fvwazing wrote:Gas-savings are an interesting idea but foremost it is a can of worms. Waze needs elevationdata for that (could be derived from gpsdata but with a huge errormargin) and a LOT of variables on the car. Cars with regenerative braking or hybrids have complete opposite characteristics from combustion engines, for instance. I know of not a single navigation that masters it.


LOT of variables not need. very hard elevations is similarly fuel-wasting on any type of vehicle.
another side is - realization of that idea is resource consuming, and need to be new models and heights data. on another side - mostly all locals already know, where hills is it, and what he can route around that things. also i do not know, what big in reality is that problem, because i live in latvia, and there we practically not encounter with hills and so. as so there must be thinking and decision about - how large practical impact we have from that thing realizing. for example, many electric vehicles do not have recuperation mode, because in everyday traffic gettings from recuperation is very small. recuperation work good as speed increases, from city speeds it return in batterys in braking almost nothing, as fact...maybe there is similar situation?
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Re: Vehicle types/ Navigation types

Postby fvwazing » Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:20 pm

Gas-savings are an interesting idea but foremost it is a can of worms. Waze needs elevationdata for that (could be derived from gpsdata but with a huge errormargin) and a LOT of variables on the car. Cars with regenerative braking or hybrids have complete opposite characteristics from combustion engines, for instance. I know of not a single navigation that masters it.
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Re: Vehicle types/ Navigation types

Postby wisedraco » Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:09 pm

Need to be add bicycle-type.
Also i see there in waze is already motorcycle icon - it means, a motorcycles works correctly in waze? in example, with motorcycle i can drive mostly even if cars traffic is standstill - it does not generate wrong data for them, who sits in their "metal canns" ? :D
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Re: Vehicle types/ Navigation types

Postby Riamus » Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:58 pm

Gas Savings (or an Economy Route) would be great for many users. Unfortunately, that's not really possible without a lot of work. Yes, you can limit turns, but that's about all. Because there aren't stop lights or stop signs shown, you don't really get any indication whether you are stopping or just driving slowly through that section of road into the next. So you can't really determine how economical it is. Also, there isn't any way to indicate hills and grade of hills to determine what is most economical.

So although that would be a great feature, I don't see it ever happening. However, we can provide a least turns routing option fairly easily and that would at least help some people at least a little. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, I think if we add another option like that, we should consider a set of sliders with a 100% maximum to help indicate what you prefer. People might prefer few turns, but aren't willing to drive 2-3 times further or longer to avoid a few turns. Having the slider would let us set something like - 50% time, 0% distance, 50% turns. In that case, you care equally about time and turns, but don't care at all about distance. So routing will allow you to drive any distance, but will equally limit time and turns. That would take some work to get working well, but I think it would be a good option to provide good control over how you are routed.
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Re: Vehicle types/ Navigation types

Postby fernandoanguita » Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:32 am

Borgholio wrote:For the love of God, please bring back "minimize turns"! That's the one navigation feature I want to see above all else. Nothing is more annoying than seeing Waze plot a zigzag pattern through side streets instead of the (more sensible) route of taking primary streets with a minimum of turns and intersections.


I definetely agree !
I have got zigzag routes many times just to save a few meters instead of going straight by the major roads, saving time and money (brakes and gas).

Gas savings routes would be a quite reasonable benefit to get this feature back.

Best regards to all active and proactive wazers on the road, reporting online info, or behind the keyboards editing those valuables streets and turns !
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