Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

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Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby shirlig » Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:52 am

Hi all,

First, I apologize for the post factum notification.
We should have definitely informed you before taking the action and not retroactively.

However, in this case we have been required to take prompt action in removing the speedcams due to law violation.

Unfortunately, in such cases, when legal issues are involved - we can't open it to discussion. We have to operate in compilation with the law.

For the next time - we will make sure to keep you involved as soon as possible.

Moreover -
1) the speedcams data is backed up in the data base so if we realize that it is legally possible to return them - we have all the data.

2) We will keep checking if we can use the data in these countries in compilation with the law. If you can send us some concrete examples or suggestions - please let us know and we will look if there's anything we can do about it.

Thanks,

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Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby shirlig » Sat Jun 15, 2013 11:03 am

Hi guys,

We have just removed from the map all the speed cameras in Denmark, Switzerland and Germany due to it being illegal in these countries.

we are examining ways to make Waze compliant with French law as well

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Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby Scorp42 » Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:13 am

I think we all need to remember that any entity is going to do what their attorneys tell them to do. I hire attorneys because I am not one. I respect what they tell me, and I trust that they have my best interests in mind because they want to retain my business. Of course they are human, and make mistakes too.

I'm sure this decision wasn't taken lightly, and waze legal obviously feels it is in their best interest.

The only way you are likely to change their minds, is to show them their legal team is wrong.

Claiming that they are only hurting or offending the community, isn't going to change anyone's mind, as I'm sure they took 'community outrage' into consideration. Waze isn't stupid, they know very well that they wouldn't be where they are today, without us. They aren't deliberately trying to upset anyone.



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Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby schloetzi » Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:25 pm

I want the speed cams back on WAZE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby RodNav » Fri Jul 26, 2013 10:42 pm

Interesting thread.
People try to argue in a legalistic way to prove their point that speedcam warnings are allowed. Yet the only people who need to receive the warnings are those who are busy breaking the law at that moment. Note, sometimes that 'law-breaking' is not deliberate - the few speeding fines I have had were almost all due to me not paying attention to my speed, rather than choosing to speed.
The way some people argue the point, it's like they're defending their right to not be caught breaking the law. That's a right I don't believe we should have. Even 'accidental' speeding is still going faster than other road users expect, and can lead to accidents due to misjudging of speed by other drivers.

But in terms of 'demanding' that waze immediately reverse the decision, forget it. They will only do that when they're sure it's legally ok for them to do it, and not because some users want it now. I'm sure they would rather loose some users than risk loosing a court case.

BTW, how many of those who said they would leave, have actually left yet?
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Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby rarebyte » Sun Jul 07, 2013 3:19 pm

My 2 cents.

I would like an option in Waze to disable speed camera ... warning and reporting... so we can have "plausible deniability". Or for people that want to obey their local laws 100% a way to do so.

In Belgium there have been court cases around this. The way it currently is, is that apps like Waze and Coyote can report police traps and mobile/fixed cameras. In Belgium this is considered the same as when you would call all of your friends to warn them about the location of the police, it's legal.

What is considered illegal in Belgium are those devices that actively detect radar signals.
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Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby popel22 » Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:15 am

countless URs here ...
"Missing speedcam"

Yes... I'm missing them tooooo....
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Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby popel22 » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:15 am

milkyway35 wrote:Report police is not only for mobile speedcams.

With the police icon, you report policemen. They can control speed, or anything else. I dont think it could be forbiden in any country to say "hey there is a policemen here"


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Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby popel22 » Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:30 pm

milkyway35 wrote:I think, What you seem forgotten is the main core of waze is GPS Nav and not speedcams alerts.

Waze is not iCoyote and iCoyote is not Waze

Speedcams is just an option in Waze

Waze say they are looking for a legal workaround. Just be patient, they're working on it.


What the HQ seem forgotten is that the main core of waze is its community and its just an option that we all spend time editing the maps.
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Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby popel22 » Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:59 pm

More of them : !!!!!!!
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