Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

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Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby shirlig » Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:52 am

Hi all,

First, I apologize for the post factum notification.
We should have definitely informed you before taking the action and not retroactively.

However, in this case we have been required to take prompt action in removing the speedcams due to law violation.

Unfortunately, in such cases, when legal issues are involved - we can't open it to discussion. We have to operate in compilation with the law.

For the next time - we will make sure to keep you involved as soon as possible.

Moreover -
1) the speedcams data is backed up in the data base so if we realize that it is legally possible to return them - we have all the data.

2) We will keep checking if we can use the data in these countries in compilation with the law. If you can send us some concrete examples or suggestions - please let us know and we will look if there's anything we can do about it.

Thanks,

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Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby shirlig » Mon Oct 28, 2013 3:22 pm

Some very good news - we were finally able to clear out the legal issues with speed-cams in Germany and will reactivate the feature soon!

This has just been announced in the German forum (link).
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Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby shmupi » Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:47 am

Tilonius wrote:This decision was a big mistake.
The user should decide whether to use it.
We will lose many users. :cry:


+1

:cry:

How could you guys delete all the hard work that we have done in mapping those cameras ???

Have you checked other options before deleting them ?

It seems that the statement that Google / Waze will work even closer to the community was an empty one !

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Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby shmupi » Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:22 am

popel22 wrote:Waze is not worth a single cent without a motivated community.
Think about that shirli while you're enjoying your weekend.


She's back to work....Sunday is a working day in Israel.

And I can't believe it was her decision and she actually can allow herself to re-think it.

It's obvious that it's a Google decision.

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Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby Snake68 » Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:53 pm

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Re: AW: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby Snake68 » Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:59 pm

wasserkatze11 wrote:I thought it is just illegal, when u use it while driving... before it is legal^^
P.S.: even "professional" apps include this functionality, but it can be disabled...



It's only illigal for the driver while driving! Not before or after.
And it's legal for all passangers in the car while driving :!:
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Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby Snake68 » Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:04 am

Colonel667 wrote:Of course it's illegal here in Germany. ...


And again read the law:

§ 23 Absatz 1b der StVO: wrote:(1b) Dem Führer eines Kraftfahrzeuges ist es untersagt, ein technisches Gerät zu betreiben oder betriebsbereit
mitzuführen, das dafür bestimmt ist, Verkehrsüberwachungsmaßnahmen anzuzeigen oder zu stören. Das
gilt insbesondere für Geräte zur Störung oder Anzeige von Geschwindigkeitsmessungen (Radarwarn- oder
Laserstörgeräte).

The driver of a motor vehicle, it is forbidden to use a technical device or operational
carry, which is designed to display traffic control measures or disturbing. the
particularly products to malfunction or display of velocity measurements (radar warning or
Laserstörgeräte).


Alone, the driver commits an offense if he uses such a tool WHILE he drives on public roads.

There is no law that prohibits the sale or distribution of such tools.

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Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby Snake68 » Sat Jun 22, 2013 1:03 pm

davipt wrote:...
- if it's clear that it's illegal for the driver to use the feature of radar DB POI while driving on a public road in Germany then indeed the most ethical solution from Waze to Waze users is to not provide the radar feature while in Germany.

IANAL.


Well, each passenger is allowed to use a radar warning app and can warn the driver of traffic jams and speed cameras, even on public roads.
So my emphasis that it applies only to the driver.

The fact is that such an app in Germany to distribute or sell is perfectly legal!
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Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby Snake68 » Sat Jun 22, 2013 2:20 pm

davipt wrote:...

Picking on that, the French radars are also not illegal because the police also can't check the device, but my fellow truck drivers have been suffering when crossing France.
...


My facts were only for Germany. In other countries, I do not know the law.
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Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby Taglar » Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:29 pm

I have used TomTom with radar warning and i use it with Waze too and i want do my own decision and will not be patronized.

I have never heard anyone get a penalty in my kinship or friendcircle.

If waze change this - waze will die for me!
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