Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Moderator: Unholy

Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby Taglar » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:36 pm

McFloyd wrote::? This statement suggests that you seem to be often dangerously and criminal fast on the road. :lol:


Wrong!

For example, we were three about 400 km on the road and I sat in the back seat. For me, it was definitely not illegal at this point!

Let the user on the device decide if he like to use it and make it like TOMTOM - he informes the user on the device that the use is illegal as driver.
Taglar
 
Posts: 33
Joined: Wed Jul 18, 2012 12:23 am
Has thanked: 1 time
Been thanked: 1 time

Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby Taglar » Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:06 pm

thomasstolz wrote:Maybe it was just a bit of "dangerous" for them. I hope the'll reactivate this feature soon.

:evil:


Up to this point - Waze - R.I.P :cry:
Taglar
 
Posts: 33
Joined: Wed Jul 18, 2012 12:23 am
Has thanked: 1 time
Been thanked: 1 time

Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby tellytart » Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:24 am

Is there any update yet on removing the speed camera locations in France? It is illegal to have a database of camera locations in France, and has been since January 2012, but travelling through France at the weekend I'm still being alerted to the physical locations.

Please either disable the camera alerts when in France, or remove the cameras completely, as I don't wish to fall foul of the law. (In France, the penalty is a fine of up to €1,500, confiscation of the device and possibly even confiscation of the car)
ImageImage
tellytart
 
Posts: 154
Joined: Sat Mar 31, 2012 2:36 pm
Has thanked: 7 times
Been thanked: 3 times

Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby TH3515 » Mon Jul 01, 2013 6:03 pm

After 50,000 km of Waze-assisted driving, I will have to look for another app now. Without speed cam warnings, Waze is almost completely useless to me.
legal issues.....phhhhhwahh! You should have done some more research, because like this you will lose the majority of your German users in the mid-term.
What a waste of a truly brilliant Idea... :evil:

Bernhard
TH3515
 
Posts: 12
Joined: Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:24 pm
Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 14 times

Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby TH3515 » Sun Jul 28, 2013 8:40 pm

Dear Waze people,

You should at least have the honesty to change the thread subject. I'm pretty sure there were never any actual legal issues that lead to the removal of the speed cameras. They were thus removed in preemptive obedience, without assessment of the local legal situation.
How can you ecpect thousands of users to spend their valuable time idealistically working on improving the maps, reporting traffic, correcting errors etc. when you don't even go to the trouble of checking with a few experts that are competent in the local laws before you remove one of the most vital functions in your whole concept? This is ridiculous.
Don't be mislead by there being only a few responses in this thread. I bet most users never found it or didn't even look for it. They just moved on to one of the many apps that still offer the functionality you so light-heartedly threw away.
TH3515
 
Posts: 12
Joined: Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:24 pm
Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 14 times

Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby Thetemp » Fri Jul 26, 2013 9:25 pm

what if users use map chat to report speed cameras will there still be legal issues?
Thetemp
 
Posts: 7
Joined: Fri May 10, 2013 3:07 pm
Location: Trinidad And Tobago
Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 0 time

Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby Tilonius » Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:16 pm

This decision was a big mistake.
The user should decide whether to use it.
We will lose many users. :cry:
ImageImage
Tilonius
Waze Local Champs
Waze Local Champs
 
Posts: 892
Joined: Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:33 am
Location: Dueren, NRW, Germany
Has thanked: 242 times
Been thanked: 322 times

Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby top_gun_de » Sat Jun 15, 2013 9:18 pm

shirlig wrote:Hi guys,

We have just removed from the map all the speed cameras in Denmark, Switzerland and Germany due to it being illegal in these countries.

we are examining ways to make Waze compliant with French law as well

Thanks,

Shirli


Shirli,

it would have been nice to discuss this with the community in these countries before taking such drastic measures. Waze has just established channeled community communications.

Best regards,

Detlev
Image
AM Region Hannover, CM Deutschland (Germany), Coordinator Germany, Global Champ

Wiki Deutschland | Straßen und Orte benennen D | Karte bearbeiten | Editorbedienung
top_gun_de
Waze Global Champs
Waze Global Champs
 
Posts: 5565
Joined: Sun Dec 25, 2011 12:16 pm
Location: Hannover, Germany
Has thanked: 1976 times
Been thanked: 2517 times

Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby top_gun_de » Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:01 am

davipt wrote:I've always been curious how could waze have kept the cameras in Germany when everybody there knows it's illegal to even have software to inform about cameras installed. I almost had my scary moment when I had trapster installed and the police was quite curious about my old nokia device on the dashboard, but was lucky they were just hunting people drunk from the bars and didn't bother me.

As far as I can remember, for completeness, radar detection hardware is strictly forbidden, and software that announces cameras, fixed or mobile, are also forbidden in some countries - germany being the case - and over there, according to my rough german law translation and the comments from my friends, even having the software installed but not being open could be used against us. I may be wrong on this, I've been back to Portugal for two years now.

I'm mentioning this because there may be the case that removing the cameras from the map is not enough. There may be a need to even remove the camera report and maybe even the police report from the client, but I'm sure some native German can explain this better...


Yes, davipt, some natives might explain this better. In Germany, there is a law against having a working device in your vehicle during a drive, while the possession of such a device is entirely legal, likewise the manufacturing, distribution and sale of such hard- or software are compliant with the law. Every manufacturer of PNA-devices or navigation software offers this as a part of their software, either included for free or as a premium service.

There are even dedicated traffic warner applications in the official app-stores of Apple and Google.

There was separate legislation against the possession of radar receivers, but this was part of the regulations of the use of radio frequencies and is to my best knowledge obsolete since several years.

Moreover, the german law differentiates between a crime (like hitting someone in the face) ("Straftat") and an administrative offense (like exceeding your parking time) ("Ordnungswidrigkeit"), and the usage of such a device is just an offense, not a crime.

There has even been a discussion on federal level about this special law - several states pledged to lift the ban entirely, as it is completely useless - there has not even been one known case where someone was punished for this offense. Herr Ramsauer (Minister of transportation) has decided not yet to see the light on this matter.

Best regards,

Detlev
Image
AM Region Hannover, CM Deutschland (Germany), Coordinator Germany, Global Champ

Wiki Deutschland | Straßen und Orte benennen D | Karte bearbeiten | Editorbedienung
top_gun_de
Waze Global Champs
Waze Global Champs
 
Posts: 5565
Joined: Sun Dec 25, 2011 12:16 pm
Location: Hannover, Germany
Has thanked: 1976 times
Been thanked: 2517 times

Re: Removal of speed cameras following legal issues

Postby top_gun_de » Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:15 am

shirlig wrote:Hi guys,

We have just removed from the map all the speed cameras in Denmark, Switzerland and Germany due to it being illegal in these countries.


Shirli,

as the german coordinator, I write this on behalf of the german community, and I am sure that the communities from switzerland and denmark will agree:

Please, reconsider your decision. It is ill-advised on the legal side, and it will hurt Waze's position on the navigation market.

Every navigation software offers speed-cameras or comparable services. Navigon/Garmin decided to warn of "Unfallschwerpunkte" (locations with high potential of accident), and use the existence of a speed cam as an indicator for such locations.

Since every other app offers this service either free or as a premium service, I am sure that the removal of traffic cam warnings will hurt the product in the markets of germany, switzerland and denmark. These three countries are relatively wealthy with a population that is both attractive in direct sales revenue and advertising revenue.

Besides, Waze thrives on the community's effort to improve the maps and services. This surprising "fait-accompli" is a sure way to hurt the community and reduce its contribution.

Best regards,

Detlev
Last edited by top_gun_de on Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:28 am, edited 1 time in total.
Image
AM Region Hannover, CM Deutschland (Germany), Coordinator Germany, Global Champ

Wiki Deutschland | Straßen und Orte benennen D | Karte bearbeiten | Editorbedienung
top_gun_de
Waze Global Champs
Waze Global Champs
 
Posts: 5565
Joined: Sun Dec 25, 2011 12:16 pm
Location: Hannover, Germany
Has thanked: 1976 times
Been thanked: 2517 times

PreviousNext

Return to Website, Community, General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users