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Re: Regarding Railroads

Postby gerben » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:27 pm

Wow... You told them that before you joined? ;)
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Re: Regarding Railroads

Postby petervdveen » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:28 pm

I did ;-)
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Re: Regarding Railroads

Postby ispyisail » Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:54 am

I hope Waze makes more announcements like this one.

Sometimes I think waze needs to put a stake in the ground and say "this is what we want"

Letting local communities make their own decisions can create problems.
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Re: Regarding Railroads

Postby Kuhlkatz » Mon Sep 09, 2013 11:48 am

Sometimes it's a good thing to put your foot down, but other times you have to get your own house in order as well. In this case I think it cuts both ways.

The paving that we had to clean up frequently could only stop if users are snapped to railroads and if they actually saw them in the client, thereby stopping the urge to pave them in the first place. This frequently messed up maps.

The tainting of speed data on adjacent roads also tend to do more damage for routing than any rogue editor can do if Wazers are not snapped to it, which is why alternate types were used in some countries.

Either each object needs a note field with an icon indicating notes are attached, or editors need an editable/visible note pin that remains visible in WME irrespective of visible layer selection. This would stop the 'notes' aspect.

The routing engine needs to honor the non-drivable aspect of roads not meant for commuting and the client somehow
needs to honor snapping to any road type while not navigating without tainting speeds that are outside the norm.

Just my 2c.

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Re: Regarding Railroads

Postby Timbones » Mon Sep 09, 2013 11:52 am

We use URs posted from the Livemap to add notes to the editor, which works pretty well.
Not ideal long term, but will do until Waze provide a dedicated notes interface.

The sooner Waze make railroads appear in the client (and behave properly), the sooner we can clean up the map of all the hacks we've had to introduce before now.
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Re: Regarding Railroads

Postby PakcikSyah » Mon Sep 09, 2013 3:38 pm

In the first place this topic should not be made public.
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Re: Regarding Railroads

Postby HandofMadness » Mon Sep 09, 2013 10:24 pm

MdSyah wrote:In the first place this topic should not be made public.

So you are saying Waze shouldn't tell us that Railroads are coming to the client soon and how we should handle railroads? I think quite the opposite, its great it telling us what is coming and how they expect a feature to work. What benefit is it to hide it where only champs can see?
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Re: Regarding Railroads

Postby Mike-1323 » Tue Sep 10, 2013 7:30 am

shawndoc wrote:So you are saying Waze shouldn't tell us that Railroads are coming to the client soon and how we should handle railroads? I think quite the opposite, its great it telling us what is coming and how they expect a feature to work. What benefit is it to hide it where only champs can see?

I agree that it's great to hear an official announcement about upcoming capability. I am however disappointed by the lack of replacement for the functionality that they are telling us not to do any more (in-editor notes; one of the current uses of railroad type)
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Re: Regarding Railroads

Postby petervdveen » Tue Sep 10, 2013 7:36 am

^^ Because there are a lot of local rules for railroads that are different from what's been stated now.
I don't want people in my country using the railroad road-type.
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Re: Regarding Railroads

Postby Machete808 » Tue Sep 10, 2013 8:58 pm

Guideline request: I'm assuming this applies to all forms of rail, including light rail? Construction will resume soon on Honolulu's first elevated rail system, which is the main reason why I ask.

Additionally, the only thing my home island has now is a brief segment of the (defunct) legacy commuter system, now in use only as a rail museum attraction. It cuts through one community, with crossing signs and everything, so maybe that could be mapped just for clarity, I would think.

The neighbor islands have remnants of industrial track from the old sugar plantation days, but most are not in use at all and wouldn't need to be mapped.
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