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Re: Updating petrol prices

Postby davidg666 » Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:35 pm

paddyfroggy wrote:I used Waze in France during the sumer and the availability of petrol prices proved very useful in finding cheaper fuel just a few km off route.
How far are we from having this in Ireland? The stations are available in the search under "Petrol station" category, a good number of them are now mapped and returned in the search but there is nothing about prices.The update price from the client is not there either.
I would love to help in bringing this feature to Ireland if I can help I just have not find how...

Waze will turn this feature on for a country when a certain percentage of the petrol stations for that country have been mapped. I think the percentage is 75%. Even though we do have quite a few petrol stations mapped in Ireland, I suspect we're nowhere near 75%.

To be honest, in my opinion (others may have different opinions!) it would be much more worthwhile to try getting the country more fully mapped - although quite a few large towns and most of the cities are well mapped, there are vast areas of the country where there are only main roads mapped (and not necessary correctly) and many towns and villages are missing. If we assume that these almost-unmapped areas all contain petrol stations, then we don't have much chance of getting the petrol prices feature turned on until and unless we have the petrol stations mapped - and having petrol stations mapped isn't much use unless there are roads in place to get to them :)

Possibly we could (or should!) collectively focus our editing efforts to divide up the work and concentrate on specific objectives, such as verifying that all main roads are mapped properly, that all towns/villages over a certain size are mapped, and on identifying and maybe making a to-do list of other areas that need attention. I imagine most editors are like me and have day jobs and other competing demands on their time - I go through phases of only having a couple of hours a week to edit and then having several hours a day to edit for a week or so at a time.

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Re: Updating petrol prices

Postby davidg666 » Thu Sep 19, 2013 2:34 pm

paddyfroggy wrote:Thanks for the information. I am not sure how Waze know how many petrol stations are required, possibly some government piece of info? It may be something that our country manager could find out so that we know the target and possibly find out what is the current number mapped.

There is a Waze-maintained list of all the petrol stations currently mapped in each country (I don't have the link handy, but it is mentioned in some of the other forums). As for the total number of petrol stations, I don't believe they have any official source, but if we supplied them with a total number (and good evidence for it being correct) they would probably use that.
paddyfroggy wrote:I would be happy to take some more areas, even if I may not be that familiar with them, and map against the satellite imagery. How to find out where is the biggest need? Probably the CM again?

There's a spreadsheet I created that shows all towns/cities in Ireland with a population of more than 1500 people - if you look back about six months in the Ireland forum you'll see it.

The idea is that the spreadsheet can be edited by anybody. It doesn't have complete information about every town, so do add to it as necessary, with a permalink to each town on the map, and information about how complete the maps are there.

If you want to help out with mapping the undermapped areas, I suggest this approach (that's how I started off anyway):

1. Start with a town (or area) you know reasonably well and check the completeness of the maps for this town. If you've driven around it recently, you'll have editing rights for it. Add any missing roads (bearing in mind that the satellite images may be out of date). Don't forget to name the roads, set turn restrictions, make sure junctions will behave properly, and so on.
2. If you're fairly familiar with a town or area, apply to be an area manager for that town/area. This will bring your editing level up to level 3, which will let you override certain locks, and will also let you edit within a wider radius of the routes you've driven. Bear in mind that an area manager is supposed to pay attention to URs for their area(s) and to keep an eye on the state of the map in that area. I did places like Wicklow. Carlow, Kilkenny, Enniscorthy and Wexford this way.
3. For areas other than towns: follow main roads to check them for completeness, and also (within your editable area) map all roads that join those main roads. Make sure all roads have the correct type and name, and that all junctions are set up properly.

There are *many* towns out there that are either not mapped at all or that have only been edited a little, so that most of their roads, residential areas and so on are still not mapped.

One thing I suggest though, as a matter of courtesy: when you start editing in a new town or area, have a look at the last modification dates and editor names of road segments in case another editor is also working in the same area (the WME Highlights script can help you find recent edits in an area). If you do find that another editor has been working in the same area recently, send them a message to coordinate your work so that you don't end up tripping over each other as you edit. I've found out (the hard way...) that it's easy to accidentally annoy other editors if you modify roads that they've recently edited or are in the middle of editing.

Good luck with your editing - and stay in touch with other editors here in the forum and by PM. I've got a draft version of a new wiki page for Irish editing standards - I'm looking for feedback on this (again, look back a few threads to find it) so I'd be interested to see if you have any opinions. It covers how we name roads in Ireland, what road types to use, how to name cities, and so on.

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Re: Updating petrol prices

Postby davidg666 » Thu Sep 19, 2013 2:38 pm

Addendum to the previous post:

For the list of towns in Ireland, see this forum thread:

https://world.waze.com/forum/viewtopic. ... 59#p364863

For the draft wiki page about road naming in Ireland, see here:

http://world.waze.com/wiki/index.php/Ho ... d%29_DRAFT

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Re: Updating petrol prices

Postby davidg666 » Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:50 am

paddyfroggy wrote:Thanks for the links, I have added my name to the ones I can work on.
The roads naming page is very useful thanks for sharing

You're welcome! The roads naming page is still just a draft, so if you have any opinions, remarks or proposals, then please state them.

It's been in draft for many months now, so I think I'll move it out of draft and use it to replace the current Ireland wiki page shortly - then we can point at it and use it as a reference for how we do things in Ireland. Even then we can still change it, of course.

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Re: Updating petrol prices

Postby Marlow925 » Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:26 pm

I'd say it should be pretty difficult to actually know, how many petrol stations there are in Ireland. Especially with the massive closures in recent years due to redevelepment.

Is there anywhere we can find out what the estimated total and the actually mapped figures are ?

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Re: Updating petrol prices

Postby davidg666 » Wed Oct 02, 2013 11:59 am

marlow925 wrote:I'd say it should be pretty difficult to actually know, how many petrol stations there are in Ireland. Especially with the massive closures in recent years due to redevelepment.

I think Waze would be happy to accept a reasonably-calculated estimate of the total. Failing that, it might be possible to get totals from each of the major petrol companies, although this wouldn't account for the independent petrol stations. I think this is what they did in the UK (where the gas prices feature is enabled) and Australia (where they're still mapping stations).

In the UK, they also got detailed lists some companies, such as Esso, with coordinates that they were able to get Waze to import into the database. The Esso list must have included Ireland, because I keep coming across Esso stations here mapped as a small square with telephone number and so on in an unusual format.
marlow925 wrote:Is there anywhere we can find out what the estimated total and the actually mapped figures are ?

Waze maintain a list of these figures for every country here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... 4YUE#gid=0 ... although I can't open that document any more. In any case, they can tell us how many are mapped, and we can probably estimate and tell them how many stations there are. I imagine there's a reasonable proportion of petrol stations to populations that's similar in many European countries.

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Re: Updating petrol prices

Postby davidg666 » Mon Oct 14, 2013 12:33 pm

More about petrol prices; I just found the thread discussing how many petrol stations need to be mapped in various countries; the thread itself is here:

https://www.waze.com/forum/viewtopic.ph ... ead#unread

...and the spreadsheet with the number of stations mapped (compared to the number that need to be mapped) is here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... _web#gid=0

...as you can see, we've got about 500 mapped here in Ireland, but the spreadsheet doesn't show how many there are in total that need to be mapped. I guess we need to work that out (or come up with a reasonable estimate) and give that to Waze.

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Re: Updating petrol prices

Postby CTCNetwork » Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:47 pm

Hi,

On my occasional visits I have (on my return) mapped some stations. I have also been adding a parking lot road through the station (so stays do not affect/create traffic reports) and then naming them "Fuel". I have since started changing to [F].

You can come slap me if I have been too presumptuous. I do find that the street name (Fuel or [F]) shows up on the map sooner than the actual landmark..

You comments would be welcome.

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Re: Updating petrol prices

Postby davidg666 » Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:52 am

Hi Des,
CTCNetwork wrote:On my occasional visits I have (on my return) mapped some stations. I have also been adding a parking lot road through the station (so stays do not affect/create traffic reports) and then naming them "Fuel". I have since started changing to [F].

You can come slap me if I have been too presumptuous. I do find that the street name (Fuel or [F]) shows up on the map sooner than the actual landmark..

You comments would be welcome.

Thanks for mapping petrol stations here!

I think the gas station landmark type is supposed to suppress creation of traffic reports from cars stopped at the petrol station, even though cars stopped there *appear* to be on the adjacent road. That said, I also place parking lot roads in petrol stations, both to make the car appear to be off the road and to give proper directions to cars leaving petrol stations.

I don't usually name the parking lot road in petrol stations, although when I first started mapping I was a little inconsistent and sometimes named them "petrol station" and sometimes with the name of the fuel company.

Anyway, back to the point: do you think that naming the gas station landmark with something (whether it be the brand name, "Fuel" or "[F"]) would look better than naming the associated parking lot road? I wonder if the two would clash visually if both the landmark and the parking lot road were named. I haven't come across any of your petrol stations yet, so maybe they look fine!

What's the UK practice for labelling petrol stations? I'd be happy with any approach over here that looks good on the client and is consistent - we certainly aren't consistent at all yet.

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Re: Updating petrol prices

Postby CTCNetwork » Wed Nov 13, 2013 3:48 pm

Hi,

There is no strict rule for naming - aka no name should be Ok. The parking lot road does pull you off the main road so aiding no adding to traffic reports whilst you stop and refuel (or you would need to have the garage landmark covering the road).

I shall pop more on as I can see them/remember them whilst my edit rights are available.

We have "adopted" the idea that naming of car parks with "[P] name" is preferable to "name Car Park" as less verbose. Adding [P] to the parking lot roads is also quite acceptable rather than "tesco's Car Park" or whatever.. :)

Glad to be of help. Will try and get some of those unmapped roads done while I can.. :)

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