Errors routing to / through Yosemite Valley via Hwy 120

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Re: Errors routing to / through Yosemite Valley via Hwy 120

Postby kentsmith9 » Wed Feb 12, 2014 6:22 am

jemay wrote:The practice that has been adopted is if you have to pay to go through the park then mark it as a toll. The reasoning behind that is if you are planning to go to the park you would know that you would have to pay to go in and there is no real advantage marking it as a toll, but for people that want to go from point a to point b and it happens to go through the park but you have to pay, then that is a toll for that person. We had been getting several URs regarding the issues about being routed through the park from one side to the other and was not told there would a toll.

So currently Yosemite has the entrances marked as a toll, a place like Bryce does not.

Setting the entrance to the park as private would cause other issues. I would never get a route through the park. But with it set as a toll and I am willing to pay the toll, then that would be one of the option I would get from one side to the other.

We should probably add something to the Wiki on this for Toll Roads.
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Re: Errors routing to / through Yosemite Valley via Hwy 120

Postby kentsmith9 » Wed Jan 29, 2014 6:10 pm

CBenson wrote:There was for quite some time a bug that time restrictions over something like 50 days didn't work.

I also find it a bug that you can't put seasonal restrictions (i.e. restriction that repeat yearly) in place. It seems to me if you have to edit the road for each season, then disconnecting the road is the better course of action at this point.

I added both notes to the reported bug.

On the seasonal work around today, why not put in 5 or 10 restrictions that are for each upcoming year. I realize that is only good until 5 or 10 years from now, but that is better than having to go back every year until we get annual events added.
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Re: Errors routing to / through Yosemite Valley via Hwy 120

Postby kentsmith9 » Wed Jan 29, 2014 5:31 am

I didn't see anything similar in Bugzilla, so I created https://bugs.waze.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6320 . Please vote if you have access.
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Re: Errors routing to / through Yosemie Valley via Hwy 120

Postby kentsmith9 » Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:31 am

Understood. Looks like turn restrictions were either not set up correctly or are completely failing. Maybe the problem is a turn restriction is just a super high penalty. When the alternate route is 8 hours around the mountain Waze gives up and sends users that way anyway.
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Re: Errors routing to / through Yosemie Valley via Hwy 120

Postby kentsmith9 » Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:16 pm

I assume you have made additional changes since this original post. I noticed many of the roads had the toll marker set which is not true, so I started turning that off when I realized you might have set that originally to try to control the winter closure. Or maybe it was someone before you.

We should be able to use Time Restricted segments for the portions of the road that are closed during the winter, rather than disconnecting the road itself. I know there have been some reported problems around time restrictions, so we might need to do some testing up here to be sure it is working as designed.
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Re: Errors routing to / through Yosemite Valley via Hwy 120

Postby jemay » Tue Feb 11, 2014 4:05 pm

The practice that has been adopted is if you have to pay to go through the park then mark it as a toll. The reasoning behind that is if you are planning to go to the park you would know that you would have to pay to go in and there is no real advantage marking it as a toll, but for people that want to go from point a to point b and it happens to go through the park but you have to pay, then that is a toll for that person. We had been getting several URs regarding the issues about being routed through the park from one side to the other and was not told there would a toll.

So currently Yosemite has the entrances marked as a toll, a place like Bryce does not.

Setting the entrance to the park as private would cause other issues. I would never get a route through the park. But with it set as a toll and I am willing to pay the toll, then that would be one of the option I would get from one side to the other.
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Re: Errors routing to / through Yosemite Valley via Hwy 120

Postby jemay » Wed Jan 29, 2014 6:41 pm

The biggest issue to putting any dates for the closure/open is the dates are not depended on a set date but the snow. So it could close/open sooner or later.

Hopefully the AM/CM/RC are watching the reports and can get the expected open dates, so that is where the date restriction can work, because we can change the open date for each season and they usually know about 3 to 7 days before they get the passes to open.
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Re: Errors routing to / through Yosemie Valley via Hwy 120

Postby jemay » Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:59 am

On the note of winter closures - All along the Sierras most (if not all) have been disconnected.
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Re: fee for entry treated as toll?

Postby dbraughlr » Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:17 am

I know of a lot of other places where an entrance fee is required that has nothing to do with through traffic. It never occurred to me to make a park road into a toll road. It sounds like every entrance should be private or something like that.

If you are not using the park as a visitor, you cannot just pay a "toll" to transit the park. People should not be routed through any portion of a park that requires an entrance fee even if they have not set "Avoid tolls". That really is not correct; toll avoidance logic does not apply.

Is marking a park entrance as a toll road a standard?
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Re: Errors routing to / through Yosemite Valley via Hwy 120

Postby CBenson » Wed Jan 29, 2014 5:06 pm

There was for quite some time a bug that time restrictions over something like 50 days didn't work.

I also find it a bug that you can't put seasonal restrictions (i.e. restriction that repeat yearly) in place. It seems to me if you have to edit the road for each season, then disconnecting the road is the better course of action at this point.
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