[Script] WME Validator 1.1.20 / 03.11.2016

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Re: [Script] WME Validator 0.6.0 (BETA) / 04.02.2014

Postby sketch » Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:52 pm

Where?

Road Types (USA) does not mention elevation for non-drivable roads other than (1) it must be different from any road it crosses, and (2) it should be -5 for railroads.

https://www.waze.com/wiki/Road_Types_(USA)#Non-drivable
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Re: [Script] WME Validator 0.6.0 (BETA) / 04.02.2014

Postby berestovskyy » Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:11 pm

Please note the 'Walking Trail instead of a Railroad' at the moment is enabled for the Poland only.
Let me know if the check should be enabled for other countries.

UPD: 'Railroad used for comments' enabled for all countries.
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Re: [Script] WME Validator 0.6.0 (BETA) / 04.02.2014

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:20 pm

CBenson wrote:Don't know about the Int'l server, but having two one-ways that connect the same two junctions has caused problems in my area. If the origin or destination is on one of the street waze will occasionally start or stop the route on the other. This has been solved by adding a extra junction on one of the segments.

Validator should already be detecting two segments sharing end node locations, regardless of street direction.
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Re: [Script] WME Validator 0.6.0 (BETA) / 04.02.2014

Postby CBenson » Tue Feb 04, 2014 3:34 pm

Don't know about the Int'l server, but having two one-ways that connect the same two junctions has caused problems in my area. If the origin or destination is on one of the street waze will occasionally start or stop the route on the other. This has been solved by adding a extra junction on one of the segments.
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Re: [Script] WME Validator 0.6.0 (BETA) / 04.02.2014

Postby fernandoanguita » Tue Feb 04, 2014 3:21 pm

Hi !

Validator is becoming more and more useful every day, nice and quick development.
Thanks for all the updates and improvements.

Still I have a situation with "Same endpoints drivable segments".

Here is the permalink.

The issue is that one segment goes one way ant the other is the return way.
There is no mistake on the roads, thus when one segment goes one way ant the other segment goes the other way, there is no error and should not be highlighted.

I hope you can fix this to prevent a false positive highlight.

Best regards, from Concepción, Chile,
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Re: [Script] WME Validator 0.6.0 (BETA) / 04.02.2014

Postby berestovskyy » Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:50 pm

04.02.2014 v0.6.0:
- NEW search tab: search for your edits, recently modified segments or specific city name
(see the details below)
- NEW for ALL 'SLOW: No connection at node A/B':
a dead-end node is within 5m from another segment
- NEW for ALL 'Too short segment'
(drivable non-dead-end less than 2m long segment)
- NEW for AT, CH, DE 'Incorrect Freeway elevation'
- NEW for ALL right-hand traffic countries
'Unusual B-A drivable roundabout direction'
- UPD 'Construction zone': TRAVAUX for France, GF, NC, RE
- UPD roundabout checks only for drivable segments now
- ENABLED for AT, CH, DE 'Two-way Freeway segment'
'Incorrect Freeway lock level'
- DISABLED for (almost) ALL
'Walking Trail instead of a Railroad'
'Unneeded name on one-way Ramp'

New search tab:
Updated since - report/highlight segments, updated since a specific date
City name - this field supports lists (city1, city2), wildcards (*) and negation (!)
Examples:
Greater * Area
!Paris, * - will match any city but Paris
r*, s* - will match any city starting with letter r or s

Plans
I'd like to stabilize Validator, so no new features for some time. I will still enable/disable checks on your request, accept translations, exceptions etc.

Please report bugs, false positives (with permalinks), typos etc.

Thanks!
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Re: [Script] WME Validator 0.5.9 (BETA) / 02.02.2014

Postby SuperDave1426 » Mon Feb 03, 2014 10:29 pm

CBenson wrote:
SuperDave1426 wrote:Then can I make the request that when you're arguing against two-road roundabouts that you drop that as a reason? If it's no longer happening, then it seems to me that it's no longer a valid reason to use in a "do it or not" type of consideration. But maybe that's just me. :D

Sure you can make the request. But if I understand correctly, the validator is simply applying the same rules regarding two segments connecting the same two junctions that is applied to any segments to roundabout segments.

Actually, no it's not doing that anymore. That check was disabled (at least in the US) a couple of versions ago.

I do believe that there are currently problems when the same two segments connect the same two junctions. I guess I'd like to see more evidence that roundabout segments are somehow treated differently with regard to these problems.


Time will tell. :-)
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Re: [Script] WME Validator 0.5.9 (BETA) / 02.02.2014

Postby CBenson » Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:16 pm

SuperDave1426 wrote:Then can I make the request that when you're arguing against two-road roundabouts that you drop that as a reason? If it's no longer happening, then it seems to me that it's no longer a valid reason to use in a "do it or not" type of consideration. But maybe that's just me. :D

Sure you can make the request. But if I understand correctly, the validator is simply applying the same rules regarding two segments connecting the same two junctions that is applied to any segments to roundabout segments. I do believe that there are currently problems when the same two segments connect the same two junctions. I guess I'd like to see more evidence that roundabout segments are somehow treated differently with regard to these problems.
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Re: [Script] WME Validator 0.5.9 (BETA) / 02.02.2014

Postby SuperDave1426 » Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:38 pm

CBenson wrote:A couple of thoughts.
1) I didn't say they weren't roundabounts, just that they weren't worth mapping.

Perhaps not to you. :-)

2) Although yielding to the traffic is a consideration, its not a universal quality of traffic circles. There are certainly urban signaled circles where "at the roundabout take the second exit" is a useful instruction, but the traffic in the circle doesn't have any right-of-way over the traffic entering the circle as the entries are all signaled.

Actually, one of the defining characteristics of the modern roundabout is that traffic entering yields to traffic already in the circle unless otherwise marked (at least, within the USA; obviously, I can't speak regarding other countries). (By "otherwise marked," I mean that there will be signs in the circle directing traffic to yield to the entering traffic.) A "modern roundabout" is a type of looping junction in which road traffic travels in one direction around a central island and priority is given to the circulating flow. Signs usually direct traffic entering the circle to slow and to yield the right of way. See this document from the Federal Highway Administration for further information.

I even found the following image that kind-of illustrates the whole roundabout thing:

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While it's true that US dictionaries use "roundabout" and "traffic circle" as synonyms, in technical terms, they're different.

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Common distinctions between modern roundabouts and older rotary type intersections:

Typically, modern roundabouts are:
  • smaller than rotaries
  • designed for slower entry, circulating, and exit speeds
  • always following a “yield-at-entry” traffic control principle
  • designed with a raised splitter island to slow and deflect traffic prior to entry
  • designed to facilitate safer pedestrian crossings
  • designed to follow a same lane entry/lane exit principle at multilane roundabouts (NO LANE CHANGES in the circulatory roadway)

Signalized Traffic Circles are NOT Roundabouts. As an example, Dupont Circle in Washington DC is not a roundabout, it's a Traffic Circle with signals (I.E. a Signalized Traffic Circle).
(Source)
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As with anything in life, there are bound to be exceptions to the above - however, they're just that: Exceptions, not the rule.

I realize that this is possibly going beyond the scope of what needs to be considered from a Waze "mapping it" standpoint, but I feel that the point needs to be made - after all, we're talking about mapping roundabouts and whether or not the Validator should be annoying us with non-warning about a two-entering road roundabout. :D (Also, I felt that the distinction between the two should be pointed out, even if the map software doesn't give us a way to map them differently.)

I'm sure there are those who might say that there's no difference from a mapping standpoint since we only have a "Add Roundabout" function within the WME. I expect you're probably one of them. ;) However, if a distinction needed to be made, I'm thinking that for those editors who have the Toolbox installed, the "Change roundabout to standard road" (which would still be a one-way circular road) tool could help with that and thus a signalized traffic circle could be represented that way. I'm not advocating this; just suggesting it as a possibility if it were felt important enough to treat them differently in the map.

CBenson wrote:
SuperDave1426 wrote:One question, though, and I didn't see an answer to this the last time we were discussing it: You had indicated that in the past you've seen that to be the case. Is it, in fact, still the case now? Have you seen any recent occurrences of whatever the problem behavior is that you've seen? It could very well be that it's already been fixed.

I have not seen recent occurrences, so roundabouts may now be treated differently with regard to this issue.

Then can I make the request that when you're arguing against two-road roundabouts that you drop that as a reason? If it's no longer happening, then it seems to me that it's no longer a valid reason to use in a "do it or not" type of consideration. But maybe that's just me. :D
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Re: [Script] WME Validator 0.5.9 (BETA) / 02.02.2014

Postby CBenson » Mon Feb 03, 2014 6:58 pm

SuperDave1426 wrote:I suppose it could be managed by temporarily creating a third road leading into it and then deleting that road once the roundabout is created, but to me that falls back into what kentsmith9 was saying about being more unnecessary work.

Exactly. Even less work is just having a street with no roundabout at all.

SuperDave1426 wrote:Since when is a roundabout about how many roads enter it? A roundabout is a big honkin' (or in some cases, a small honkin' :-)) circular road, running one way, around something in the middle of it. Other roads attach to it and those coming from the entering roads are required to yield to the traffic already in the roundabout.

In U.S. dictionaries the terms "roundabout", "traffic circle" and "rotary" are synonyms. There's no requirement that there be more than two roads attached.

A couple of thoughts.
1) I didn't say they weren't roundabounts, just that they weren't worth mapping.
2) Although yielding to the traffic is a consideration, its not a universal quality of traffic circles. There are certainly urban signaled circles where "at the roundabout take the second exit" is a useful instruction, but the traffic in the circle doesn't have any right-of-way over the traffic entering the circle as the entries are all signaled.
3) I still don't see the advantage of an instruction that says "at the roundabout continue straight" or "at the roundabout take the first exit," when there are no other roads to take. The roundabout as a corner does confuse me. I prefer "take at left at . . .", to "at the roundabout take the first exit", if the only things I can do are turn left or go back the way I came. If its truly a big honkin' circle, I'd prefer to get a turn right at State Circle and then get a turn right on Main St instruction.

SuperDave1426 wrote:One question, though, and I didn't see an answer to this the last time we were discussing it: You had indicated that in the past you've seen that to be the case. Is it, in fact, still the case now? Have you seen any recent occurrences of whatever the problem behavior is that you've seen? It could very well be that it's already been fixed.

I have not seen recent occurrences, so roundabouts may now be treated differently with regard to this issue.
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