Construction Zones (Road Naming (USA))

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Re: Construction Zones (Road Naming (USA))

Postby kentsmith9 » Fri Feb 14, 2014 7:45 am

Sketch, I read through your changes and decided to revert all of them. :twisted:




:lol: Just kidding.

They look great. Also thanks for correcting the title case on the sections. Many people don't realize we are following the style guide for Wikipedia which says section names should not be title case, only sentence case.

Note that when you change a section name, there may be dependencies on that current name that get broken after you save. You can review all possible links to the page from the "What links here" in the left column of the page after you edit it. Good news is if you miss any links, you still end up on the page, but for large pages like this one, the user is dumped at the top. Not smooth, but hopefully the user recognizes to check the ToC in front of them. I am fixing some of they key ones now.
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Re: Construction Zones (Road Naming (USA))

Postby kentsmith9 » Mon Feb 03, 2014 5:10 am

sketch wrote:We have also been using "Street Dr CLOSED" for total closures; I would recommend "Street Dr (Closed)" for consistency.

When do we have streets closed for months when it is not for construction? Per guidelines we are only supposed to rename roads:

Wiki on Road closures wrote:Disconnect road segments - In general it is not recommended to disconnect road segments unless roads are permanently being disconnected. However, this method has been for longer term construction projects while waiting for the scheduled restrictions feature. This procedure also includes renaming the road to note the construction information that will appear on the client app helping local drivers see why they are not being routed through that area.
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Re: Construction Zones (Road Naming (USA))

Postby Fredo-p » Sun Jul 20, 2014 8:17 am

PesachZ wrote:What about construction sites which ate active for a number of hours daily causing closed lanes and make traffic hold ups, no shoulder access, etc? They could benefit from it too.


If it's a long term project that would be considered major, then the (Construction Zone) would be added. Anything shorter than a month would be left alone, unless, it was also a major thing.

Regardless, unless a road is completely closed for an extended period of time, hourly/daily lane closures and traffic detours would be handled by Waze in real time, along with the reports from drivers at that time.
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Re: Construction Zones (Road Naming (USA))

Postby Fredo-p » Sun Jul 20, 2014 6:55 am

PesachZ wrote:When a road is closed on that list you see the road closure pop-up (icon with red white barricade) and red/white hash marks along the entire segment, just like you would I'd toy reported the closure in the app) the report says reported by: Waze.

Having a similar list for construction would be nice, and could produce the hard hat icon pop-up reports with the relevant details.


What if the road was tagged with (Closed)? Would the barricades show up then?
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Re: Construction Zones (Road Naming (USA))

Postby Fredo-p » Sun Jul 20, 2014 6:43 am

PesachZ wrote: Perhaps long term construction projects, validated by editors could be paced on the client map using these road alerts without ever having to rename roads.

Just a thought, not sure if it's even practical to implement, but I'm pretty sure it's plausible. Even better would be if they allowed editors to place the alerts directly and specify start and end dates.


I know there is a closure doc that gets filled out when a road closure is know ahead of time. Those tasked would then place the needed restrictions.

With construction zones, maybe it could be possible to have R5 and/or R6/Champs be given a secondary sub-menu for road types that lists road conditions. This way only authorized editors can correctly place the required secondary tag (construction zone, closed).

The secondary menu, as mentioned above, would have the choices of Construction Zone, Closed, and ----. Or, it could be an access only option, like turn restrictions, where an editor can enter the road condition and dates if applicable.
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Re: Construction Zones (Road Naming (USA))

Postby Fredo-p » Fri Jul 11, 2014 6:05 pm

Do shielded roads have any importance? If a shielded road looses its shield, does that have any effect on routing, or is it just for aesthetic reasons?
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Re: Construction Zones (Road Naming (USA))

Postby dbraughlr » Wed Feb 05, 2014 9:11 pm

  • A construction zone is drivable (connected) with potential delays, hazards, detours including lane closures, and scheduled overnight closures.
  • A closed road is not drivable (bridge out, wash out, rebuild, security concerns, etc) and might or might not being undergoing repairs. If permanent, then the road is effectively disconnected.
  • Under construction means that a new segment will open in the future as a drivable road but until then, it is not drivable. It could be connected to the roadway with a scheduled restriction.
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Re: Construction Zones (Road Naming (USA))

Postby davielde » Sat Jul 12, 2014 1:30 am

sketch wrote:Is shield generation for US highways automatic at this point? Is it working well? Is it instant?

Interesting to note: Interstate shields and US highway shields are matched differently. If memory serves, Interstate shields will be given to anything that starts with I-###, no matter what's at the end, whereas US highway shields are granted strictly – only to US-###, apparently, not even US-### N/S/E/W. So, assuming everything works correctly, "(Construction Zone)" on an Interstate will never be seen, whereas a US highway's shield will be broken by the phrase.


By the question of whether shield generation is instant, I would imagine that the concern would not so much be if the shield would be broken, but whether it would be fixed when (Construction Zone) is removed.

Was there a point in time where shield generation became more strict? For US highways, I've seen a shield on "Old US-23" as well as a number of US-#### N/S/E/W. If we created a new one with the direction indicated where there was previously the same shielded street name + city name combination, you don't think we would get a shield?
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Re: Construction Zones (Road Naming (USA))

Postby davielde » Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:47 pm

CBenson wrote:If you mean turn instructions then it depends on whether the shielded road is limited access or not. As the name of limited access roads don't show up in turn instructions (rather the ramp names do) changing the name of limited access roads has no effect. If the road is not limited access then the turn instructions that use the name of the road are effected by an change to the name in WME.


So, if we were to apply this logic to the wiki with simple, straightforward guidance, would something like this then be acceptable?

"When a road is under long-term construction, but is not closed, add "(Construction Zone)" to the end of the name unless it involves a shielded, limited access road."
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Re: Construction Zones (Road Naming (USA))

Postby davielde » Fri Jul 11, 2014 5:38 pm

Based on the feedback provided by several Champs in this recent thread here, would anyone object to updating the Major Construction without Closure section to reflect guidance for freeways or other shielded roads?

For example (bold = new):
"When a road is under long-term construction, but is not closed, add "(Construction Zone)" to the end of the name unless it involves a segment with a shielded highway or freeway."
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