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Re: Ferry Mapping page

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Wed Feb 12, 2014 6:37 pm

In general, I've said before, and how Washington state has done it, that the ferry crossing should match the type of roadway on either side, whether that is mH or Primary (there are Primary-types county ferries in WA too).

Given that Waze routing still has significant preference for any type of roadway > Primary, this may actually be problematic. Despite the fact that a mH shows a "slow" speed in the ferry lanes, I would bet it is still shown as preferred over faster/longer routes which stay on land.

I wonder if, in general, ferries should not be typed > Primary?
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Re: Ferry Mapping page

Postby AndyPoms » Tue Feb 11, 2014 11:47 am

Waze has stated that they are working on ways to support Ferry (Fairy) properly. I suggest waiting to write this page until their system comes out.

Also, I've seen serious problems when a Ferry is mapped here in CT - which is why none of ours are mapped at this time.

There are GPS traces that run across Long Island Sound and they get REALLY wide in the middle (just about 5000 meters wide = ~3 miles). I don't think Waze will snap users to that.
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Re: Ferry Mapping page

Postby AndyPoms » Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:29 pm

jemay wrote:The ferry system in Washington State works. For the most part, the Ferrys are classified as Minor Freeway and toll.

What is "Minor Freeway"?
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Re: Ferry Mapping page

Postby AndyPoms » Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:28 am

jemay wrote:The actual ferry crossings (over the water).

Not what I meant... We don't have a "Minor Freeway" type in Waze...
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Re: Ferry Mapping page

Postby AndyPoms » Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:35 am

kentsmith9 wrote:
AndyPoms wrote:Waze has stated that they are working on ways to support Ferry (Fairy) properly. I suggest waiting to write this page until their system comes out.

Also, I've seen serious problems when a Ferry is mapped here in CT - which is why none of ours are mapped at this time.

There are GPS traces that run across Long Island Sound and they get REALLY wide in the middle (just about 5000 meters wide = ~3 miles). I don't think Waze will snap users to that.
Sounds like you saw problems. Can you give a quick summary of the issues for those who may not have seen the threads, or point to the main forum entry that discussed the problems you saw?
It's happened several times - and each time it was shortly after someone added a Ferry route across Long Island Sound (New London, CT <-> Orient Point, NY; Bridgeport, CT <-> Port Jefferson, NY). I'll give one detailed example, but the same general concept happened each time.

  1. Start trip in Hartford, CT (roughly the middle of the state)
  2. Set a route to a destination in New London, CT (on the other side of town from the Ferry Terminal)
  3. Get a REALLY long ETA
  4. Look at suggested route - find that is was routing me
    1. From Hartford to New London
    2. to get on the Ferry to go to New York
    3. Drive a small loop around Orient Point, NY
    4. Get back on the Ferry and go back to New London
    5. Then proceed to the correct destination.
  5. Cancel route, and re-do ensuring that it didn't select the ferry this time.
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Re: Ferry Mapping page

Postby AndyPoms » Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:53 am

mrgrumpy wrote:
Timbones wrote:The examples I've posted seem to work just fine using service roads.


Yes, they do. Don't like the idea of using the same road type as Tim says.

I also don't really see the point of mapping the cross-channel ferries other than to 'see' where the ferries go to. I wouldn't use Waze to, necessarily, choose my crossing point.

The Service Road type is supposed to be going away (converted to the Street type). AND Waze has said they are working to support Ferry Routes - I think we need to wait to see what they come up with, especially since if they add a road type called "Ferry", this entire conversation is moot.
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Re: Ferry Mapping page

Postby AndyPoms » Mon Aug 03, 2015 5:08 pm

dude463 wrote:Is the Ferry road type working?
Yes.

dude463 wrote:If so, is there any special functionality to it vs other road types?
Not yet, but we have asked for an "Avoid Ferry" option (like "Avoid Freeway").
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Re: Ferry Mapping page

Postby AndyPoms » Mon Aug 03, 2015 6:50 pm

dude463 wrote:Then should we start using the Ferry road type? Currently we don't in Washington state and crossing times are reported by Waze as 10 minutes when it's closer to an hour in reality, and that's if you showed up just before a ferry started to load. Wait times to even get onto a ferry are up to 2 hours on busy days.

Talk with your local editors about making changes like this.

I doubt that changing the road type will effect the timing.
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Re: Ferry Mapping page

Postby aspyhackr » Wed Sep 09, 2015 3:24 am

dude463 wrote:to ride across an hour trip that Waze thinks takes 10 minutes, only to find they now have a longer journey than if they just drove south (or vice versa).


This is the exact opposite experience that we have here at the Jamestown/Surry Ferry in Virginia. We had a problem where the ferry road type became unroutable, and we switched to a minor highway. The estimated time across went from 30 minutes using the ferry road type to 2 minutes. Then we started getting "Missing bridge" URs because people were getting a wrong ETA, and after about a week, we tried switching it back. It worked, and we haven't gotten another UR about that route till last week when the road type became unroutable again. (It appears to be working again.)

I think the main point is being missed in this thread, there needs to be a distinction in this thread between a ferry that is always running, albeit at a reduced capacity (once an hour at night) like the
Jamestown ferry, and a tourist ferry that completely stops operation after a certain point in the night, or is a seasonal thing like the Sunny Bank Ferry.
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Re: Ferry Mapping page

Postby Black-Voyager » Wed Feb 04, 2015 11:50 am

I was recently informed that road type Ferry is treated the same as Freeway and Major Highway.
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