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Re: Ferry Mapping page

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Wed Feb 12, 2014 6:37 pm

In general, I've said before, and how Washington state has done it, that the ferry crossing should match the type of roadway on either side, whether that is mH or Primary (there are Primary-types county ferries in WA too).

Given that Waze routing still has significant preference for any type of roadway > Primary, this may actually be problematic. Despite the fact that a mH shows a "slow" speed in the ferry lanes, I would bet it is still shown as preferred over faster/longer routes which stay on land.

I wonder if, in general, ferries should not be typed > Primary?
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Re: Ferry Mapping page

Postby AndyPoms » Tue Feb 11, 2014 11:47 am

Waze has stated that they are working on ways to support Ferry (Fairy) properly. I suggest waiting to write this page until their system comes out.

Also, I've seen serious problems when a Ferry is mapped here in CT - which is why none of ours are mapped at this time.

There are GPS traces that run across Long Island Sound and they get REALLY wide in the middle (just about 5000 meters wide = ~3 miles). I don't think Waze will snap users to that.
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Re: Ferry Mapping page

Postby AndyPoms » Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:29 pm

jemay wrote:The ferry system in Washington State works. For the most part, the Ferrys are classified as Minor Freeway and toll.

What is "Minor Freeway"?
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Re: Ferry Mapping page

Postby AndyPoms » Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:28 am

jemay wrote:The actual ferry crossings (over the water).

Not what I meant... We don't have a "Minor Freeway" type in Waze...
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Re: Ferry Mapping page

Postby AndyPoms » Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:35 am

kentsmith9 wrote:
AndyPoms wrote:Waze has stated that they are working on ways to support Ferry (Fairy) properly. I suggest waiting to write this page until their system comes out.

Also, I've seen serious problems when a Ferry is mapped here in CT - which is why none of ours are mapped at this time.

There are GPS traces that run across Long Island Sound and they get REALLY wide in the middle (just about 5000 meters wide = ~3 miles). I don't think Waze will snap users to that.
Sounds like you saw problems. Can you give a quick summary of the issues for those who may not have seen the threads, or point to the main forum entry that discussed the problems you saw?
It's happened several times - and each time it was shortly after someone added a Ferry route across Long Island Sound (New London, CT <-> Orient Point, NY; Bridgeport, CT <-> Port Jefferson, NY). I'll give one detailed example, but the same general concept happened each time.

  1. Start trip in Hartford, CT (roughly the middle of the state)
  2. Set a route to a destination in New London, CT (on the other side of town from the Ferry Terminal)
  3. Get a REALLY long ETA
  4. Look at suggested route - find that is was routing me
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    2. to get on the Ferry to go to New York
    3. Drive a small loop around Orient Point, NY
    4. Get back on the Ferry and go back to New London
    5. Then proceed to the correct destination.
  5. Cancel route, and re-do ensuring that it didn't select the ferry this time.
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Re: Ferry Mapping page

Postby AndyPoms » Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:53 am

mrgrumpy wrote:
Timbones wrote:The examples I've posted seem to work just fine using service roads.


Yes, they do. Don't like the idea of using the same road type as Tim says.

I also don't really see the point of mapping the cross-channel ferries other than to 'see' where the ferries go to. I wouldn't use Waze to, necessarily, choose my crossing point.

The Service Road type is supposed to be going away (converted to the Street type). AND Waze has said they are working to support Ferry Routes - I think we need to wait to see what they come up with, especially since if they add a road type called "Ferry", this entire conversation is moot.
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Re: Ferry Mapping page

Postby CBenson » Tue Feb 11, 2014 3:51 pm

I agree that the suggestions, except the suggestion to use parking lot road type make sense.

As far as whether to map them or not, length makes a big difference. Waze isn't likely to get as accurate speed data crossing Long Island Sound as it is crossing say the Wicomico River.
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Re: Ferry Mapping page

Postby CBenson » Thu Feb 13, 2014 12:21 pm

mrgrumpy wrote:I wouldn't use Waze to, necessarily, choose my crossing point.

Out of curiosity, why not?
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Re: Ferry Mapping page

Postby CBenson » Fri Feb 21, 2014 8:24 pm

I'm don't understand what not mapping "Ferries with no set schedule" is intended to address. We have a few ferries that cross small rivers that run whenever a car shows up. Seems like they should be mapped.
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Re: Ferry Mapping page

Postby CBenson » Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:02 pm

nhanway wrote:Do the Ferries you are referring to run 24-7?

No, but I was addressing the operational times with the instruction to: "Be sure to set the time restrictions on the segment including the first ferry (opening time) and the last ferry (closing time)."
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