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Re: Ferry Mapping page

Postby AndyPoms » Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:28 am

jemay wrote:The actual ferry crossings (over the water).

Not what I meant... We don't have a "Minor Freeway" type in Waze...
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Re: Ferry Mapping page

Postby jemay » Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:31 pm

The actual ferry crossings (over the water).
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Re: Ferry Mapping page

Postby AndyPoms » Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:29 pm

jemay wrote:The ferry system in Washington State works. For the most part, the Ferrys are classified as Minor Freeway and toll.

What is "Minor Freeway"?
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Re: Ferry Mapping page

Postby jemay » Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:31 pm

The ferry system in Washington State works. For the most part, the Ferrys are classified as Minor Freeway and toll.
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Re: Ferry Mapping page

Postby CBenson » Tue Feb 11, 2014 3:51 pm

I agree that the suggestions, except the suggestion to use parking lot road type make sense.

As far as whether to map them or not, length makes a big difference. Waze isn't likely to get as accurate speed data crossing Long Island Sound as it is crossing say the Wicomico River.
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Re: Ferry Mapping page

Postby AndyPoms » Tue Feb 11, 2014 11:47 am

Waze has stated that they are working on ways to support Ferry (Fairy) properly. I suggest waiting to write this page until their system comes out.

Also, I've seen serious problems when a Ferry is mapped here in CT - which is why none of ours are mapped at this time.

There are GPS traces that run across Long Island Sound and they get REALLY wide in the middle (just about 5000 meters wide = ~3 miles). I don't think Waze will snap users to that.
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Re: Ferry Mapping page

Postby Timbones » Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:44 am

Generally okay with the suggested steps. In the UK we use Service Roads for Ferries, as parking lot roads can't be used for routing. It's rumoured that we'll have a specific "Ferry" road type in the future.

Here's an example: Woolwich Ferry over the Thames. It's free, but part-time. Waze will route across here during the day, and will find alternative routes when it isn't open.

Here's another random example, and here are some routes in the Livemap.

Need to add some guidelines about when to map a ferry. Our general rule-of-thumb is to only map ferry crossing where you a) can buy a ticket on arrival, rather than pre-booking, and b) you stay in your vehicle during the crossing. None of the major Channel crossings meet either of these criteria, and so should not be mapped. The GPS tends to vary wildly too, making Waze pretty useless.
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Ferry Mapping page

Postby nhanway » Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:35 pm

These are both good ideas. I'll make the changes later today if someone else doesn't get too it first.

Also, if this hasn't been done already, we should add a note on the road types pages saying not to use the ferry road type yet. Also link the road types pages to this ferry mapping page.
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Ferry Mapping page

Postby sketch » Sun Jul 27, 2014 10:11 am

Resurrecting this thread since it's not that old. I only have a minor point or two.

First, the obvious: the new developments with the "ferry" type, and a note not to use that type yet.

Next, the obscure: the naming standard. Instead of a slash, we should use a hyphen—the slash will cause a TTS pause, while the hyphen will not. So, ditch "Canal St / Algiers Ferry" in favor of "Canal St - Algiers Ferry". (Of course, if it has only one name, use that.) The latter sounds like the name of a ferry; the former sounds like a street or a ferry. (This is the same reason I do not use a comma between city and state when both are included together on a sign.)


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Ferry Mapping page

Postby kentsmith9 » Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:11 am

We have had a blank page for Ferries ever since I joined. Recently user Panther37 proposed a number of steps outlined on this talk page.

I have not spent any time on mapping ferries, so I did not want to pass judgment on these steps. I had previously thought that with time restrictions we could solve ferries with just that feature setting for both segment directions. Separately set toll if present.

I had not considered the other points Panther37 proposed, but many of them make sense. However the parking lot road seems to be a problem and unnecessary since the routing engine will shortly determine the average speed through that area and set the appropriate routing.

If we want to have this info on a separate page, that is fine and if we want to include it anywhere else, we can transclude it as desired.

Panther37 wrote:Here is how I have made ferries:
1. You need to be able to edit AT LEAST both ports. The entire area is preferable.
2. Turn on GPS points. It seems like people like to leave Waze on in the ferry.
3. Draw a road on the ACTUAL path the car would take.
3.1. Have the road right up to the part of the dock where it would load.
3.2. Draw the road using the GPS points to align with the usual path of the ferry in the water.
4. Road type should be "Parking Lot Road" because, ferries are slow. If there is a "High-Speed" ferry, upgrade the road.
5. Make sure the road is a "Toll Road" unless the ferry is free.
6. Don't forget to use time restrictions.
6.1. The first ferry of the day is when it should open.
6.2. The last ferry of the day is when it should close.
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