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Re: Ferry Mapping page

Postby CBenson » Thu Feb 13, 2014 12:21 pm

mrgrumpy wrote:I wouldn't use Waze to, necessarily, choose my crossing point.

Out of curiosity, why not?
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Re: Ferry Mapping page

Postby CBenson » Fri Feb 21, 2014 8:24 pm

I'm don't understand what not mapping "Ferries with no set schedule" is intended to address. We have a few ferries that cross small rivers that run whenever a car shows up. Seems like they should be mapped.
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Re: Ferry Mapping page

Postby CBenson » Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:02 pm

nhanway wrote:Do the Ferries you are referring to run 24-7?

No, but I was addressing the operational times with the instruction to: "Be sure to set the time restrictions on the segment including the first ferry (opening time) and the last ferry (closing time)."
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Re: Ferry Mapping page

Postby CBenson » Sat Feb 22, 2014 11:53 am

That's not what I was seeing last night when I clicked on your "Does this look like you wanted?" link, but it does look like that now for me. Do you need to close the browser or something to see the current formatting?
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Re: Ferry Mapping page

Postby CBenson » Tue Jul 29, 2014 6:33 pm

Are steps 4 and 5 regarding the one-way segments really a requirement? Or could they just be an option where there are holding areas or the ferry is tolled in a single direction?
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Re: Ferry Mapping page

Postby CBenson » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:02 pm

nhanway wrote:If the dock is tolled then it is a requirement.

I don't really understand what is meant by the dock being tolled. However, if there are times when steps 4-5 are required and times when they are not, this should be explained in the documentation, shouldn't it?

nhanway wrote:There are some bugs in the ferry road type.
Agree with this generally.
nhanway wrote:I have tested this out. It wont route on the ferry unless you set start and end point right on the ferry docks. Kind of treats it like a private road or a non drivable road like a boardwalk..
Disagree that this a universal effect.
WME Permalink. (Yeah, putting in a ferry type and then expecting it won't get used because we say it shouldn't in the wiki is unlikely to produce consistent results.) Live Map link.
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nhanway wrote:Until they fix this ferry road types is not to be used, at all.
Agreed.
nhanway wrote:Even once they fix the bugs I'm not sure the ferry road type will work for every ferry because its treated like a Minor Highway.
I don't really see why this would be a problem.
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Re: Ferry Mapping page

Postby CBenson » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:41 pm

sketch wrote:Now that I think about it, splitting a loading/unloading dock into two one-way segments is only a requirement if the ferry is tolled in one direction and not in the other. Otherwise, if it's free leave it untolled, and if it's tolled both ways just set the toll flag on the ferry segment itself.
Makes sense to me.
But this makes sense to me as well.
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Re: Ferry Mapping page

Postby CBenson » Wed Jul 30, 2014 8:41 pm

nhanway wrote:Ferry road type does work is some cases. But if you extend the distance between Start and Destination then it does not consider the ferry.
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This is what I have been experiencing. Which is why we don't use it at this time.
Right?

There have certainly been reports of odd routing when the type is changed to ferry. So I'm in agreement that it waze should fix the issues with the ferry road type before we make a practice of using the ferry type.

nhanway wrote:If the ferry is a anything but a Minor Highway now. Like if its a Major highway now, marking it as Ferry would lower its class and therefore mess with the FC System and therefor mess with the routing.

Right?

Yes. I guess it would. However, I'm having a hard time imagining a circumstance where there would be a freeway/major highway non-ferry route that shouldn't be preferred over a ferry route. But there aren't all that many ferries around here. I would certainly defer to those of you in areas with more extensive ferry systems.
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Re: Ferry Mapping page

Postby CBenson » Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:31 pm

Giving ferries a minor highway default speed can also cause waze to route over the ferry route when its not the fastest route. It seems difficult for waze to gather accurate speed data for longer ferry routes. For longer ferry crossings it seems, 1) the ferry route is typically not consistent enough for many of the GPS tracks to be associated with the "road segment" and 2) some wazers turn off waze on the ferry. Accordingly, waze sometimes severely underestimates the time ferry routes take.
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Re: Ferry Mapping page

Postby CBenson » Thu Feb 05, 2015 6:33 pm

Depends on whether the ferry is appropriate for long distance routing or not. Ferry is a road attribute like toll not a road type. The ferry support is thus flawed from inception.
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