Construction Zones (Road Naming (USA))

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Re: Construction Zones (Road Naming (USA))

Postby qwaletee » Sun Feb 16, 2014 3:55 am

I think the new guidance is good, but we have thousands of roads mapped under the old CONST ZN. Wouldn't it make sense to add it to the supported abbreviations?
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Re: Construction Zones (Road Naming (USA))

Postby qwaletee » Sun Feb 16, 2014 3:55 am

You can keep any links to old TOC entries by using an "anchor" when you change the name. Do it as follows

==Old name==
Blah

becomes

==Revised name==
{{Anchor|Old name}}
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Re: Construction Zones (Road Naming (USA))

Postby sketch » Fri Feb 14, 2014 7:49 am

Good tip on the dependencies, thanks, and thanks for fixing them too. I'll keep that in mind in the future.
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Re: Construction Zones (Road Naming (USA))

Postby kentsmith9 » Fri Feb 14, 2014 7:45 am

Sketch, I read through your changes and decided to revert all of them. :twisted:




:lol: Just kidding.

They look great. Also thanks for correcting the title case on the sections. Many people don't realize we are following the style guide for Wikipedia which says section names should not be title case, only sentence case.

Note that when you change a section name, there may be dependencies on that current name that get broken after you save. You can review all possible links to the page from the "What links here" in the left column of the page after you edit it. Good news is if you miss any links, you still end up on the page, but for large pages like this one, the user is dumped at the top. Not smooth, but hopefully the user recognizes to check the ToC in front of them. I am fixing some of they key ones now.
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Re: Construction Zones (Road Naming (USA))

Postby sketch » Wed Feb 12, 2014 5:56 pm

I will take your Likes and silence as an affirmation. I am making the changes to the Wiki now. I did change some of the formatting for readability.
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Re: Construction Zones (Road Naming (USA))

Postby sketch » Wed Feb 05, 2014 11:04 pm

Sounds good. I would also rename the section to reflect that it is only used for long-term construction projects/closures. Here is my proposed rewrite of the two big paragraphs, in Wiki markup:

When a road is closed to traffic for long-term construction, after you [[How to handle road closures|close the road]], add "(Closed)" to the end of the road name. For example, "Ramble Dr" would become "Ramble Dr (Closed)".

When a road is under long-term construction, but is not closed, add "(Construction Zone)" to the end of the name. For example, "Tamble St" would become "Tamble St (Construction Zone)". If there is a major lane shift or traffic shift, adjust the geometry of the road to match the current traffic pattern. Do this only if you are able to monitor the area, and readjust the geometry of the road once again once the construction is complete. Remove the "(Construction Zone)" from the name, and be sure to reattach any roads which may have been disconnected.

"(Construction Zone)" should only be used for the following:
* Relatively major, long-term construction (usually lasting at least one month)
* Semi-permanent lane closures or lane shifts (lasting for the duration of the construction)
* Temporary recurring lane closures or lane shifts, if the closures or shifts occur regularly during heavy travel hours (roughly from 6 am to 8 pm)
* Construction with no semi-permanent recurring or lane closures or lane shifts, but where small lane closures and slow-moving construction traffic are common during heavy travel hours

"(Construction Zone)" should '''not''' be used for the following:
* Short-term construction (usually lasting under one month)
* Temporary lane closures or lane shifts, if the closures or shifts occur through the night (for example, between 10 pm and 5 am)
* Construction with no lane closures or lane shifts, even with possible occasional construction traffic


I would leave the first sentence and the red one as-is.
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Re: Construction Zones (Road Naming (USA))

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Wed Feb 05, 2014 10:40 pm

I find "Construction Zone" and "Under Construction" too similar and we should just pick "Construction Zone" to be a melding of the two ideas. "Closed" can mean just that, regardless of the reason.
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Re: Construction Zones (Road Naming (USA))

Postby sketch » Wed Feb 05, 2014 10:15 pm

dbraughlr wrote:
  • A construction zone is drivable (connected) with potential delays, hazards, detours including lane closures, and scheduled overnight closures.
  • A closed road is not drivable (bridge out, wash out, rebuild, security concerns, etc) and might or might not being undergoing repairs. If permanent, then the road is effectively disconnected.
  • Under construction means that a new segment will open in the future as a drivable road but until then, it is not drivable. It could be connected to the roadway with a scheduled restriction.

If we're going to break it down this way, I can agree with the first two. I don't agree with the last.

I would split them this way:
  • Construction zone: Drivable. Construction is possible/likely, but not constant. Potential delays, hazards, temporary lane closures, and occasional scheduled closures.
  • Under construction: Drivable. Construction configuration is constant—for example, lane closures or lane shifts.
  • Closed: Not drivable. Closed to traffic for a period of time.
Really, though, I'd prefer to label all drivable construction roads either (Under Construction) or (Construction Zone) [i.e., pick one and use it for everything], and all temporarily closed roads (Closed). Some of what would fit under "Construction Zone" in the three-option method I don't think is even worth marking—like, if construction is ongoing but only occurs between 9:30 pm and 5:30 am, it isn't relevant for the majority of drivers and it will probably be confusing.

If a road is closed permanently, delete it, and perhaps make a note in the editor not to add it back because of the aerials. I've seen permanently-closed ramps with "railroad" type notes left saying it's closed, do not add. We aren't supposed to do that anymore and we don't have a notes feature yet, but tbh I don't see any harm in leaving it as, say, a Street type segment, and having the "Ramp closed permanently" displayed in the client for a time.

If a road is newly constructed, I wouldn't add it until it opened, or I would add it and leave it disconnected without marking anything. Typically when this happens it's ramps anyway, so it wouldn't show on the client. I suppose if it was a road segment I might put (Opens December) or something.
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Re: Construction Zones (Road Naming (USA))

Postby dbraughlr » Wed Feb 05, 2014 9:11 pm

  • A construction zone is drivable (connected) with potential delays, hazards, detours including lane closures, and scheduled overnight closures.
  • A closed road is not drivable (bridge out, wash out, rebuild, security concerns, etc) and might or might not being undergoing repairs. If permanent, then the road is effectively disconnected.
  • Under construction means that a new segment will open in the future as a drivable road but until then, it is not drivable. It could be connected to the roadway with a scheduled restriction.
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Re: Construction Zones (Road Naming (USA))

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Wed Feb 05, 2014 8:59 pm

We are suggesting this change for all roads under construction, regardless of whether they are closed/disconnected or not?
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