Construction Zones (Road Naming (USA))

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Re: Construction Zones (Road Naming (USA))

Postby sketch » Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:02 am

Some shields have been added manually in the past, and it's possible to have staff – I do know, looking at a divided section of US-90 around here ("US-90 W" and "US-90 E"), that there aren't any shields on it. Whereas, I've seen an example of something like "I-10 Parkway Drive" with a shield.
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Re: Construction Zones (Road Naming (USA))

Postby davielde » Sat Jul 12, 2014 1:30 am

sketch wrote:Is shield generation for US highways automatic at this point? Is it working well? Is it instant?

Interesting to note: Interstate shields and US highway shields are matched differently. If memory serves, Interstate shields will be given to anything that starts with I-###, no matter what's at the end, whereas US highway shields are granted strictly – only to US-###, apparently, not even US-### N/S/E/W. So, assuming everything works correctly, "(Construction Zone)" on an Interstate will never be seen, whereas a US highway's shield will be broken by the phrase.


By the question of whether shield generation is instant, I would imagine that the concern would not so much be if the shield would be broken, but whether it would be fixed when (Construction Zone) is removed.

Was there a point in time where shield generation became more strict? For US highways, I've seen a shield on "Old US-23" as well as a number of US-#### N/S/E/W. If we created a new one with the direction indicated where there was previously the same shielded street name + city name combination, you don't think we would get a shield?
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Re: Construction Zones (Road Naming (USA))

Postby sketch » Sat Jul 12, 2014 12:59 am

Is shield generation for US highways automatic at this point? Is it working well? Is it instant?

Interesting to note: Interstate shields and US highway shields are matched differently. If memory serves, Interstate shields will be given to anything that starts with I-###, no matter what's at the end, whereas US highway shields are granted strictly – only to US-###, apparently, not even US-### N/S/E/W. So, assuming everything works correctly, "(Construction Zone)" on an Interstate will never be seen, whereas a US highway's shield will be broken by the phrase.
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Re: Construction Zones (Road Naming (USA))

Postby davielde » Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:47 pm

CBenson wrote:If you mean turn instructions then it depends on whether the shielded road is limited access or not. As the name of limited access roads don't show up in turn instructions (rather the ramp names do) changing the name of limited access roads has no effect. If the road is not limited access then the turn instructions that use the name of the road are effected by an change to the name in WME.


So, if we were to apply this logic to the wiki with simple, straightforward guidance, would something like this then be acceptable?

"When a road is under long-term construction, but is not closed, add "(Construction Zone)" to the end of the name unless it involves a shielded, limited access road."
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Re: Construction Zones (Road Naming (USA))

Postby CBenson » Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:59 pm

Depends what you mean by routing. If you mean what routes the routing server returns, it is really difficult to say what has minor effects. I can't imagine that this would have any noticeable effects on the routes that are returned.

If you mean turn instructions then it depends on whether the shielded road is limited access or not. As the name of limited access roads don't show up in turn instructions (rather the ramp names do) changing the name of limited access roads has no effect. If the road is not limited access then the turn instructions that use the name of the road are effected by an change to the name in WME.
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Re: Construction Zones (Road Naming (USA))

Postby Fredo-p » Fri Jul 11, 2014 6:05 pm

Do shielded roads have any importance? If a shielded road looses its shield, does that have any effect on routing, or is it just for aesthetic reasons?
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Re: Construction Zones (Road Naming (USA))

Postby davielde » Fri Jul 11, 2014 5:38 pm

Based on the feedback provided by several Champs in this recent thread here, would anyone object to updating the Major Construction without Closure section to reflect guidance for freeways or other shielded roads?

For example (bold = new):
"When a road is under long-term construction, but is not closed, add "(Construction Zone)" to the end of the name unless it involves a segment with a shielded highway or freeway."
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Re: Construction Zones (Road Naming (USA))

Postby qwaletee » Mon Feb 17, 2014 3:17 am

sketch wrote:
qwaletee wrote:I think the new guidance is good, but we have thousands of roads mapped under the old CONST ZN. Wouldn't it make sense to add it to the supported abbreviations?

If "adding it to the supported abbreviations" were at all a simple task, it would have been done years ago. But Waze is not receptive to changes in the way TTS works. It took us about a year to get a pause for every slash, and I don't think they've made any changes to TTS since then.

Validator includes a search function now which would allow us to find any "CONST ZN" that needs to be changed. Consistency throughout localities is more important than consistency throughout the country, so it should be sufficient. It's not gonna be a big deal if one city hasn't caught up where another has.

Thanks for the note about anchors; I'll keep that in mind.


Unfortunately, Validator is only as comprehensive as the viewing/editing habits of those who use it. There are probably hundreds of long-finished road projects that still say CONST ZN because nobody bothered to update them, and there will probably be a similar number that deserve to stay using the new naming. Oh, well. Waze editing is very short on "global tools" like that.
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Re: Construction Zones (Road Naming (USA))

Postby sketch » Sun Feb 16, 2014 7:23 am

qwaletee wrote:I think the new guidance is good, but we have thousands of roads mapped under the old CONST ZN. Wouldn't it make sense to add it to the supported abbreviations?

If "adding it to the supported abbreviations" were at all a simple task, it would have been done years ago. But Waze is not receptive to changes in the way TTS works. It took us about a year to get a pause for every slash, and I don't think they've made any changes to TTS since then.

Validator includes a search function now which would allow us to find any "CONST ZN" that needs to be changed. Consistency throughout localities is more important than consistency throughout the country, so it should be sufficient. It's not gonna be a big deal if one city hasn't caught up where another has.

Thanks for the note about anchors; I'll keep that in mind.
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Re: Construction Zones (Road Naming (USA))

Postby kentsmith9 » Sun Feb 16, 2014 7:13 am

qwaletee wrote:You can keep any links to old TOC entries by using an "anchor" when you change the name. Do it as follows

==Old name==
Blah

becomes

==Revised name==
{{Anchor|Old name}}

Actually this is a very good point that is commonly forgotten.

I think I will put in a Wiki Style Guide sticky linking to all the key Wikipedia guidelines we have been following and discussing in the individual threads to make it easy on everyone to find.
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