House Numbers on non-drive-able Street.

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Re: House Numbers on non-drive-able Street.

Postby umopapisdn » Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:32 am

When i tried this navigation in the app, the route ended on a nearby corner (nowhere to park, though, and probably too far to see the buildings anyway) and the flag was planted on Washington Ct. Similar results with livemap navigation. Based on county GIS data (which has way clearer imagery of the area, btw) i can see a parking spot corresponding to each of the properties on Washington Ct on the alley just to the north. It doesn't look like there is any parking on US-40 / Main St.

I agree with AlanOfTheBerg, but i think we're going to have to add that alley and hook this walking segment up that. Maybe this doesn't work and we have to undo the changes, but at least we'll have learned something, right? I don't think it's physically possible to get a car between the buildings from the alley, so worst case scenario is someone double parks. Maybe call the local pizza place and see what they do when they're delivering there? ;)

<rant> At a strategic level our goal is to get drivers to where they need to be, but at some point end users might have to rely on other means to get past a certain level of detail. Waze doesn't zoom in enough to tell exactly which property is which in this instance, so where do we draw the line as far as accuracy is concerned?

This reminds me of the apartment building my aunt lived at in the Chicago area years ago. https://www.waze.com/editor/?zoom=9&lat ... 13&env=usa
All the parking was on street, but each of the doorways had its own number. Once inside the door there were individual apartment numbers. There may have been a sign near the street that indicated which numbers could be found in that building, but in the end you either relied on directions from the person you were visiting and they told you it was the second building on the left if you're turning off of Lee and the third door on the right and then ring apartment whatever, or you used a combination of your feet and eyeballs to find the place. </rant>
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Re: House Numbers on non-drive-able Street.

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Wed Feb 26, 2014 2:51 am

petervdveen wrote:
CBenson wrote:Why can't they remain unattached and have the addresses set there? Why the exception to the "never connect" rule?

I guess it doesn't exist in America, but in Europe there are larger residental area's where there are no car allowed and you have to walk a few streets.

Exactly. I am saying that if this situation exists in the US or anywhere, then it should be considered as an exception to the "no connection" rule. If the house address is named after a no-vehicles allowed "street" then why not have it set properly as a walking trail, with the house numbers associated with it attached to the named, no-vehicle street.

If they don't exist anywhere in the US, and I do not know that they do or do not, then this is moot.
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Re: House Numbers on non-drive-able Street.

Postby petervdveen » Tue Feb 25, 2014 7:55 pm

CBenson wrote:Why can't they remain unattached and have the addresses set there? Why the exception to the "never connect" rule?

I guess it doesn't exist in America, but in Europe there are larger residental area's where there are no car allowed and you have to walk a few streets.
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Re: House Numbers on non-drive-able Street.

Postby CBenson » Tue Feb 25, 2014 5:48 pm

I don't know. I have a few thoughts.

1) You are still going to get complaints that waze told the user to "turn right at Washington Ct" and you couldn't turn the car there.

2) I think that in most cases the time spent parking will obscure any routing insight waze will provide in routing over the walking trails.

3) I think it will be problematic to tell users its fine to use waze to walk to your destination from your parking place if waze is routing you over walking trails, but its bad if waze is routing you over drivable streets. (In other words, it would be useful to do exactly what you are suggesting every time I park downtown on the street, but we tell everyone not use waze to walk to your destination in town.)

4) You say private installation, but this logic would apply much more broadly. Why not map open air pedestrian only shopping malls with walking trails so that waze will route to the correct store (if you can get a decent GPS signal inside why not map the corridors of big shopping malls)? Why not connect the walking paths on college campuses so waze will route the final walking bit to each building? Why not map large tourist attractions (say theme parks and zoos) so that waze will route through the best entrance and tell one how to walk to the ultimate destination (say the elephant house)? Wasn't being routed on these types of walking trails what caused us to disconnect them from the road network in the first place?
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Re: House Numbers on non-drive-able Street.

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Tue Feb 25, 2014 5:10 pm

CBenson wrote:Why can't they remain unattached and have the addresses set there? Why the exception to the "never connect" rule?

There's still a significant penalty to Walking Trail which would prevent (in most cases) Waze routing through such segments, but if it is a destination point (think private installation), why can't it be connected? Depending on how much walking there is, using the Waze map while finishing the Walk to the destination could be useful.
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Re: House Numbers on non-drive-able Street.

Postby CBenson » Tue Feb 25, 2014 5:08 pm

Why can't they remain unattached and have the addresses set there? Why the exception to the "never connect" rule?
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Re: House Numbers on non-drive-able Street.

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Tue Feb 25, 2014 5:06 pm

CBenson wrote:But you can't drive to the destination. Shouldn't you be closing waze when you park the car anyway?

If destinations truly are on named walking-only streets, then I think they s/could be attached and have the addresses set there. This would be an exception to the "never connect" rule we currently use.
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Re: House Numbers on non-drive-able Street.

Postby CBenson » Tue Feb 25, 2014 5:05 pm

But you can't drive to the destination. Shouldn't you be closing waze when you park the car anyway?
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Re: House Numbers on non-drive-able Street.

Postby petervdveen » Tue Feb 25, 2014 5:02 pm

GizmoGuy411 wrote:I was still following our Wiki guidelines, that state:

Okey, I think this should be reconsidered.
Now the route will never reach the destination.

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Re: House Numbers on non-drive-able Street.

Postby GizmoGuy411 » Tue Feb 25, 2014 4:40 pm

petervdveen wrote:Can I ask you why you didn't connect the road to the road network?

We do have a lot of this 'non-drive able' roads over here indeed ;-)
If you look for example at this map: http://goo.gl/maps/Nt7H4
you can clearly see all the small lines, those are non-drive able roads, but they do have a lot of houses and addresses on it :-)


I was still following our Wiki guidelines, that state:

Road Types (USA) wrote:Non-drivable routes should not have any type of junction with a drivable road. Because of the way the routing engine works, Waze will route users to drive on these "Non-Driveable" road types. When crossing a drivable road, the non-drivable road should be bridged across without a junction between them and set at a different level.


After my initial post, I changed it to a Walking Trail on CBenson's suggestion, as I was not aware that house numbers could exist on anything other than a Street type.
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